Superfast TP vs Ping G15?
the 2 drivers in question:
-Ping G15 with an Aldila Voodoo XVS7
-TaylorMade Superfast TP with an Aldila RIP 70X
my SS is about 115-117 and i hit a mid to low ball. I've been playing the G15 for a year now, and just got my Superfast recently, but have logged a few hours at the range and also played on the course with it
Launch: G15 is higher, my hits with the Ping are pretty towering. Almost seems to hang in the air for an extra second on each drive. But despite that it's not a very high spinner and i still get pretty good roll. The Superfast TP is really more of a rope-like trajectory. I've heard the RIP was not as low launching as advertised, so this was a bit surprising....but still, that's not a bad thing
sound/feel: 2 of the better drivers i've ever hit in this regard, but for different reasons. The G15 is the typical Ping "thwack" sound, loud enough but not in an offensive way. The Superfast TP is like the sports car with a V12 that only gives you a quiet, defined rumble when turned on. Hard to explain, very powerful sound, but quiet. Definitely not as numb as say, the original Rapture, but quiet. I'd say it's quiet with feel, which is tough to do
Forgiveness: Nothing touches the Ping in this regard. Right away i noticed that when i mishit a ball with the Superfast. Not that it isn't forgiving, but the G15 will fly pretty long anytime it touches pretty much anywhere on the face. The Superfast TP definitely has a smaller sweet spot.
setup: G15 = Neutral, slight triangular shape....Superfast TP = so triangular that i half expect any students i play with to use it for trigonometry practice, but you don't notice it as much. It's pretty sleek. It also sets up a bit open, similar to the Launcher DST tour or Callaway FT tour. That is to say, open, but not that open
my verdict: The forgiveness of the Ping is just so tough to pass on. It really is an amazing driver....Distance wise i'm hitting both about the same so all things equal it will be really tough to knock out the Ping long term. But there is just such a manly feeling hitting the Superfast TP. The all black head, the smooth feel, the penetrating trajectory....You feel like Sergio in his prime.
you can't go wrong with either. Just hoping to guide people on which one is more "them". Both are absolute bombers, they are lauded for a reason
right now, the TM is in the bag
any questions?
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I got rid of my 9015d last May and picked up a SFTP 9.5 w/ 73x Whiteboard. The driver delivers mid trajectory ropes..I just picked an 8.5 and now need a shaft to fit the head... I'm curious if you tried the Supertri. I wouldnt mind a driver with SFTP performance in a adjustable head...
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IMO, I probably didn't give the SFTP long enough when I tried it, but maybe because I was so in love with the feel of the G15.
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With those two specific setups to choose from, I'd definitely would go with the Superfast TP. That buttery smooth shaft with that super hot-faced driver are one awesome combo. Also, I've never been a fan of the G15. Now if it was the i15 instead.....
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I wanted to love the black beauty of the SFTP but for me the G15 was straighter, and am discovering its good feel, after coming from the 'Dark Side'.
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Interesting.
I just ordered a Superfast TP 9.5* today. It will have the Fubuki 63gms stiff shaft, tipped 1/2" at 46.5" length. It won't come till Monday so I can't comment on this combo yet. However, the purpose was for me to get a higher launch driver for the days when my swing, heads south bound, and I need to back off my SS for more control. My SS is 113 but I have more control at around 106-108, I feel.
My current gamer is the G15 in the 7.5* head with the 69gms AXIVCore Tour Red stiff, 46" in length and tipped a full inch. This is simply, a bomber. Eventhough it's 7.5*, I still launch it high and I know I still get plenty roll out of this beauty.
So it is with a lot of intrigue that I read this thread and your comments on this. I would love to see how you would handle a 7.5* and I suspect, it may just blow the SFTP out of the water with the lower launch face and forgiveness that is in the G15 head. Ironically, I also considered a G15 in the 9* but I thought all this talk about the SFTP or the SP, I had to try it...this club hoe in me is expensive!
Thanks for an intriguing thread!
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With those two specific setups to choose from, I'd definitely would go with the Superfast TP. That buttery smooth shaft with that super hot-faced driver are one awesome combo. Also, I've never been a fan of the G15. Now if it was the i15 instead.....
it's interesting, i actually much prefer the feel of the voodoo. To me it seems like a more stable shaft, the RIP feels a little soft, and while it hasn't affected dispersion it does give the driver a bit of a sluggish feel. I'd really like to try a Superfast TP with a voodoo, but dont want to spend the money, and the one in my G15 is the wrong tip size
I may go back to the G15, it is a great driver. But want to have fun with my new toy now aswell
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Ok, so I'm a 0 handi and I have three drivers (I know, I'm a dirty, dirty ho), they include:
Taylor Made SF TP in 9.5° with a R.I.P. 70 in X-flex (45 1/4")
Ping G15 9° with Serano in Stiff flex (45 1/4")
Taylor Made Supertri in 8.5° with an aldila shaft in stiff flex (45 1/2")
Some thoughts on each:
Taylor Made SF TP in 9.5° with a R.I.P. 70 in X-flex (45 1/4"): Looks wise, this driver is interesting with the triangular head, but I actually like it. Feel is muted and the shaft is ok. I get a pretty damn high flight out of this shaft. I also think it contributes to the deadish feel of the club. Distance is pretty good, but not phenominal.
Ping G15 9° with Serano in Stiff flex (45 1/4"): I have yet to actually play 18 holes with only this driver, so it would be foolish for me to try and give it a review. All I can say at this point is that the club looks good and feels nice. I'm not so sure about the Serrano shaft though. Not a very smooth shaft if you ask me. I plan to play a round of 18 with this baby this weekend.
Taylor Made Supertri in 8.5° with an aldila shaft in stiff flex (45 1/2"): My current stick in the bag. I like the setup of the head (actually looks square in the neutral position). The stock aldila seems to work fairly well with my swing although I do believe it is a hair of a noodle. Ultimately though, the looks, feel, setup and performance of this club seem to be just right for my swing at this point.
After playing the TM SF TP for quite some time, I started hitting nasty hooks with it and so I decided to move to the Supertri (bought it off a friend for a great price). Since using the Supertri, I have yet to find a driver that matches it in terms of feel, distance and accuracy. Still yearning for a better stick, I recently picked up the Ping G15 w/Serrano. I have yet to play a full round with the Ping, but hope to do so this weekend.
PS: I have an OBAN Devotion shaft in X flex (70 gram) and I'm wondering which head to put this baby into.....any thoughts? Thinking maybe the TMSF TP or the G15.
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put the oban in the G15!!!!
i love mine with the Voodoo and i think the oban is a similar profile, though i've never used one
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I dumped my superfast for the Rapture V2. I hit the Ping straight...and net out longer. I might get more distance from the Superfast - but being in the trees, or the wrong fairway, longer, is no good.
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Oban in the G15 for sure!!!!! I don't swing nearly as fast as you guys (97-100) but that combo is ridiculous. Mid-High flat bombs with enough roll out. I have the Oban 6-04(stiff) so for you guys with 105-110+ SS the X flex is the way to go. Smooth feeling with low spin=great product! You won't be dissapointed with the G15/Oban combo. Never hit the superfast, just can't get over the look of the head + I've only had the Ping for a couple of months. If I get another driver my wife will KILL me!! I won't be changing for a long time. I love this club!!
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SUPERFAST TP= FADE BIASED
PING G15= DRAW BIASED
If I were deciding between two drivers I would certainly take this into acct. If you're coming accross the ball at all and are playing a TP, clubface open, glancing blow, loss of ball speed. If you're standard ball flight is a draw, the G15 is internally weighted to draw and most come with closed clubface. Draw swing @115 mph and a closed clubface equals OB left.
It's amazing to me how nobody really knows their swing path and recognizes the importance of having a driver that matches the path or intended ballflight. 90% of the golfers on this site need to stop throwing darts w/their eyes closed to decide on a club and get on a Trackman with a good club fitter and get the right stuff.
Just my 2cents.
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SUPERFAST TP= FADE BIASED
PING G15= DRAW BIASED
If I were deciding between two drivers I would certainly take this into acct. If you're coming accross the ball at all and are playing a TP, clubface open, glancing blow, loss of ball speed. If you're standard ball flight is a draw, the G15 is internally weighted to draw and most come with closed clubface. Draw swing @115 mph and a closed clubface equals OB left.
It's amazing to me how nobody really knows their swing path and recognizes the importance of having a driver that matches the path or intended ballflight. 90% of the golfers on this site need to stop throwing darts w/their eyes closed to decide on a club and get on a Trackman with a good club fitter and get the right stuff.
Just my 2cents.
The G15 is NOT draw biased, are you just guessing on that or did you read it somewhere?
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As the OP said the G15, at least my G15 driver is neutral and hooking or loosing the ball has to do more with swing flaws than the club. I can easily hook the fade biased i15.
I find I hit more fairways with the G15 compared to the i15. I hit the i15 good on PING demo days long and straight but at the course it is a different story. The PING G15 driver is excellent WYSIWYG
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As I understand it, the G15 comes in two models. One that is draw biased with a closed or even offset face maybe and another with a neutral face.....
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SUPERFAST TP= FADE BIASED
PING G15= DRAW BIASED
If I were deciding between two drivers I would certainly take this into acct. If you're coming accross the ball at all and are playing a TP, clubface open, glancing blow, loss of ball speed. If you're standard ball flight is a draw, the G15 is internally weighted to draw and most come with closed clubface. Draw swing @115 mph and a closed clubface equals OB left.
It's amazing to me how nobody really knows their swing path and recognizes the importance of having a driver that matches the path or intended ballflight. 90% of the golfers on this site need to stop throwing darts w/their eyes closed to decide on a club and get on a Trackman with a good club fitter and get the right stuff.
Just my 2cents.
The G15 is NOT draw biased, are you just guessing on that or did you read it somewhere?
I agree 100% with PT1911. The G15 is not draw biased. My G15 is neutral, checked by a club fitter. It sits perfectly square. While I'm sure there are some that have a slightly closed face but that's just manufacturing tolerances. To make a broad assumption that it's draw biased & people with high swing speeds will hook it OB every time is nonsense. MTljeff the OP is a great example. He has a high SS, low hcp & he says it's his favorite driver. To say nothing of the fact that Bubba Watson & other long ball hitters use the G15. A bad swing is a bad swing w/any club and the same goes for a good swing.
I know a lot of guys on here have to have a TP, or tour authentic or some other "tour" affiliation on their clubs or they think they're playing inferior equipment. Sometimes that's true but it certainly can't be a blanket statement for all clubs. Most of the time it's the Indian not the Arrow. The G15 is one helluva club!!
Just my little rant!!!
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I agree 100% with PT1911. The G15 is not draw biased.
I think even the Draw version is just offset, with a square face and neutral weighting.
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Just pulled 10 G15's off the rack and measured face angle. .75* closed on average. 2 were .5* open. 2 were 2*+ closed.
Pings 3 driver models...V2 neutral, G15 neutral/draw biased, I15 fade biased.
I'm not saying a high club swinger is going to hook a G15, I'm saying that with an inside to outside path of 4*+ and a driver that is closed will go very far left.
The face angle on the driver is more important than any other club. If you take the Superfast TP and the G15 and put the exact same shaft in it (his G15 is most likely light SW because it's a lighter head) the G15 will go more left than the Superfast TP.
I'd bet the farm that the face angles on his two drivers are not within 2 degrees of eachother. 2 degrees of face angle at 115mph is probably 25 yards dispertion minimum. The G15 is an excellent driver and probably the most forgiving driver on the market today. Simply saying that they are two completely different heads.
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I agree with previous poster the G15 has a slight tendency to go left, not hook, just go left and then assume whatever the flight intended by the player -- a fade in my case. I play this baby pull-fade all day with my G15.
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Just pulled 10 G15's off the rack and measured face angle. .75* closed on average. 2 were .5* open. 2 were 2*+ closed.
Pings 3 driver models...V2 neutral, G15 neutral/draw biased, I15 fade biased.
I'm not saying a high club swinger is going to hook a G15, I'm saying that with an inside to outside path of 4*+ and a driver that is closed will go very far left.
The face angle on the driver is more important than any other club. If you take the Superfast TP and the G15 and put the exact same shaft in it (his G15 is most likely light SW because it's a lighter head) the G15 will go more left than the Superfast TP.
I'd bet the farm that the face angles on his two drivers are not within 2 degrees of eachother. 2 degrees of face angle at 115mph is probably 25 yards dispertion minimum. The G15 is an excellent driver and probably the most forgiving driver on the market today. Simply saying that they are two completely different heads.
I would say that most G15 driver are square to 1˚ closed which is supported by your .75˚ average. Also the more loft on a large and elongated club, the more it appears closed. A deep faced low lofted club will appear squarer, as will an all black club head.
What is the head weight of the SFTP?
The G15 is actually heavier than most at 204g, 5g heavier than the i15 and 4g heavier than the Rapture V2.
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Just pulled 10 G15's off the rack and measured face angle. .75* closed on average. 2 were .5* open. 2 were 2*+ closed.
Pings 3 driver models...V2 neutral, G15 neutral/draw biased, I15 fade biased.
I'm not saying a high club swinger is going to hook a G15, I'm saying that with an inside to outside path of 4*+ and a driver that is closed will go very far left.
The face angle on the driver is more important than any other club. If you take the Superfast TP and the G15 and put the exact same shaft in it (his G15 is most likely light SW because it's a lighter head) the G15 will go more left than the Superfast TP.
I'd bet the farm that the face angles on his two drivers are not within 2 degrees of eachother. 2 degrees of face angle at 115mph is probably 25 yards dispertion minimum. The G15 is an excellent driver and probably the most forgiving driver on the market today. Simply saying that they are two completely different heads.
you are not wrong, the face angle aspect was something i did not touch on, and it is certainly a factor. I would agree with the others though that the G15 is neutral, when i set mine down it seems to sit perfectly square. When i grip it i set it up a little closed and i hit a draw with it. The Superfast my ballflight has been dead straight, as i don't really hit fades with anything that is not surprising.
so yes, if you are looking for a fade biased driver the Superfast TP is probably the better option. But the G15 shouldn't be saddled with the GI label either, it is a phenomenal driver even for high SS players, and if i had to play a tournament tomorrow, it's in the bag no question
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Hey guys.....I put the OBAN in the G15! I only hit a few balls at the range, but I think I'm gonna like this combo.....hope to hit balls tomorrow to know for sure.
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Hey guys.....I put the OBAN in the G15! I only hit a few balls at the range, but I think I'm gonna like this combo.....hope to hit balls tomorrow to know for sure.
You're going to love it!
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It's official......after a LOOOOOOOOONG search (R9, Supertri, Ping i15, Superfast), the WINNER IS................Ping G15 with Oban Devotion in 05 flex (70 gram).....
Shot 1 under 71 today (3 under on the back 9) and only missed one fairway with the driver.......even on my "bad" swings, the thing goes down the pipe.....far more forgiving than the superfast and more consistent than the supertri.
GOOD CALL GUYS!!!!!!!!