Golf Courses in Scottsdale, AZ?

I will be traveling to Scottsdale again in October. I have played Troon North, We Ko Pa in Fountain Hills (great courses) and the 2 courses at the JW Marriott at Desert Ridge. Any recommendations? TPC Scottsdale says its closed for maintenance while I am there. I would cerainly go back to We Ko Pa.
Are the courses at The Phoenician any good? Suggestions please.
Thanks,
Adam
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I would recommend playing talking stick if you liked we-ko-pa. The courses at the phoenician aren't that great in my opinion. Also try: the raven, long bow, phantom horse...
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Which We-Ko-Pa course did you play? (Both?) If you haven't played We-Ko-Pa Saguaro yet then play there.
No, the courses at The Phoenician are NOT good and you're lucky the TPC is closed (I'm not a fan).
If you want to try something new then you should consider my top 3 that you haven't played-
1. SunRidge Canyon in Fountain Hills (www.sunridgegolf.com).
2. Grayhawk Raptor in Scottsdale (www.grayhawk.com).
3. Eagle Mountain in Fountain Hills (www.eaglemtn.com).
October is the worst month to play golf in Arizona. Many courses will be closed or preparing to close for overseeding. Make sure to call the Pro Shops to find out there status ahead of time.
GolfWeek's rating are interesting and not too far off from my own ( ).
PM me if you want....
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Wildfire-Faldo Course
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When does over seeding start ? Pretty sure it's in October.
Jimmy
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Wildfire-Faldo Course
He stated he's played there already (JW Marriot).
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If you don't mind the drive, you can play Rancho Manana in Cave Creek. It is north of Scottsdale. Will need to be sure they are open. I went once as a walk on and the parking lot was empty, thought I would have the whole place to myself. It was closed for overseeding. Greyhawk would be my second thought, get there early for all you can hit range balls.
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I give a second to Grayhawk I play there whenever I go to Phoenix. Good place to spot pros.... several live there or have lived there over the years. My buddy has a house on one of the courses and is a "member" which as far as I can tell gets reduced green fees... Clubhouse is nice, good bar for an after round lunch. I just saw Lee Janzen there a couple weeks ago.
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Which We-Ko-Pa course did you play? (Both?) If you haven't played We-Ko-Pa Saguaro yet then play there.
No, the courses at The Phoenician are NOT good and you're lucky the TPC is closed (I'm not a fan).
If you want to try something new then you should consider my top 3 that you haven't played-
1. SunRidge Canyon in Fountain Hills (www.sunridgegolf.com).
2. Grayhawk Raptor in Scottsdale (www.grayhawk.com).
3. Eagle Mountain in Fountain Hills (www.eaglemtn.com).
October is the worst month to play golf in Arizona. Many courses will be closed or preparing to close for overseeding. Make sure to call the Pro Shops to find out there status ahead of time.
GolfWeek's rating are interesting and not too far off from my own ( ).
PM me if you want....
Tom:
Thanks for the responses and web sites! Much appreciated. I cannot recall whcih course I played at We Ko Pa but Saguro does not ring a bell. The 3 courses above are a few that my cousin recommended as well. I will call all to determine if the courses are open. A few people have mentioned TPC is not that great and is way over-hyped. Hopefully the weather is good that time of year. My wife and I could really use a vacation!
Thanks again everyone for their replies. I have a few courses to try now
Regards,
Adam
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BTW, I just checked out the GolfWeek article. It pretty much mirrors my picks in IL so it looks to be a great reference. Great find Tom!
Thanks,
Adam
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Grayhawk is over-rated IMO. Checkout Gold Canyon Ranch - the Dinosaur Mtn course. It's in Apache Junction maybe a 20 min drive or so but a very scenic mountain course.
Also have heard really good things about the Raven course at South Mtn. Have yet to play it but the locals I know all love it.
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Sunridge Canyon is a must!
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BTW, I just checked out the GolfWeek article. It pretty much mirrors my picks in IL so it looks to be a great reference. Great find Tom!
Thanks,
Adam
You are welcome Adam! Please let me know if I can help with any other suggestions.
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overseeding schedule
Grayhawk talon course
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overseeding schedule
I'd pay real close attention to this schedule so there are no surprises when you get to the course.
Jimmy
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Played quite a lot in Phoenix. My son and I were over there from UK for a month in 2006 summer and also in 2004 and 2002 these are some suggestions for you in no particular order:
Grayhawk Talon
Kierland (any combination of nines)
Talking Stick ( very good value, empty of people, no housing development and $20 a round when we played!)
Raven @South Mountain
ASU Karsten
Rancho Manana
Gold Mountain Dinosaur
Ocotillo
Avoid:Boulders - pricey and photgenic but not a great course IMHO
Sunridge Canyon - a little too tricked up ,not overly friendly staff
Estrella Mountain - Nice course too many houses
For club repairs and equipment
Vans Golf Shop @ Thunderbird Square Mall on N.Scottsdale
Really helpful staff, clubmaker ,Rick, is first rate.
Eating - Banderas in Scottsdale and Sugar Bowl in Scotsdale ( awesome ice creams and sundaes etc. have dessert there after prime rib in Banderas a few doors down!)
Have fun
I love Phoenix!
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personaly i enjoy both grayhawk courses. Raptor is a great test of golf.
My personal favorite in the valley is Raven South Mountian.
Quintero is out of town about 25 30 minutes but very much worth the drive if you can get on.
Personally im not a fan of Karsten its never in great shape and the layout is kinda just ugh.
There are so many great golf courses in the valley you cant really go wrong.
Yes like titleist04 said if you like we-ko-pa as most do you will also like Talking Stick
Hope you have a great trip
Andrew
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Thanks again everyone for their responses. Great info! Very cool site link to overseeding info. Can someone pleas explain exactly what this means? Here in Chicago courses will aerate but I don't think there is overseeding.
Adam
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overseeding is well....exactly that. They close the course down for about 2 weeks to a month in august-november and completely overload the greens with seed. We dont do it in northern Az because it doesnt get as hot in the summer but most courses in the valley do
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Thanks again everyone for their responses. Great info! Very cool site link to overseeding info. Can someone pleas explain exactly what this means? Here in Chicago courses will aerate but I don't think there is overseeding.
Adam
You know how all your grass turns brown in the fall in Chicago? It does that in Arizona too... since they play golf in the fall and winter while your grass is under 2 ft. of snow.... they like to keep things green.
There are grasses like rye that grow in the winter and are thus green from fall to spring.
So the golf courses OVER SEED the course with a grass that stays green all winter... I won't go into details but that is the concept.
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Playing Raven for the first time on Friday. Cant wait!
$40
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I liked Raven but feel like a lot of the holes look and feel the same. I also think it's overpriced.
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The Raven at Verrado is supposed to be nice, but never played it yet. I live by Las Sendas and love the course. Its usually in decent shape befor they overseed. Any course in October is gonna be rough due to overseeding, also alot of courses punch and sand their greens during overseed as well. Longbow in East mesa is one of the last courses to overseed in late October so they can pick up business, but its always scalped way down. I know you have the overseed schedule, and I can tell you this for sure, most courses start prepping a week before overseed, meaning they scalp out the Bermuda from the summer, and the week after the fairways are usually decent, but the greens will be rough because they don't cut them short yet.
Lastly the new Champions course at the TPC in Scottsdale is supposed to be pretty nice now that its been redone. Definately call in advance before you play any course though.
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Just in case you need some more info on area courses here is a little bit I worked up
Also the prev poster was dead on about overseeding check that schedule and pick the best there is to play that hasnt overseeded yet or is a few days away from overseeding. It can be a rough go out here in october sometimes. Your best bet may be some of the courses that have 36 since they only do one course at a time
Boulders South IMO is an outstanding course and worth the $$$ to play and it shouldnt be all that bad in oct.
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Good point about the 36 or 27 hole courses. I know for a fact that Kierland and Ocotillo do 9 at a time. Wee ko Pa also does 1 18 at a time, but they are pretty pricey in October, because they can be that time of year.
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I liked Raven but feel like a lot of the holes look and feel the same. I also think it's overpriced.
I thought $40 was fairly reasonable to be honest.
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I liked Raven but feel like a lot of the holes look and feel the same. I also think it's overpriced.
I thought $40 was fairly reasonable to be honest.
40 is not bad its the 180 they charge in the winter that is way out of line
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LOL @ paying $180 to play Golf.
uhhh......NO.
If im paying that much I better be seeing a pretty sweet Ocean while im playing. Not rattlesnakes.
I liked Raven but feel like a lot of the holes look and feel the same. I also think it's overpriced.
I thought $40 was fairly reasonable to be honest.
40 is not bad its the 180 they charge in the winter that is way out of line
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Playing Raven for the first time on Friday. Cant wait!
$40
Played there last Saturday twilight for $25. The course is in good condition considering the price, the greens were spotty however. You will enjoy the course.
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Playing Raven for the first time on Friday. Cant wait!
$40
Give us your review after you've played it. The course never did anything for me. It is mostly uninteresting, the pine tree motif is just out of character, and it is perpetually overwatered (last time I played it, there was standing water in all the bunkers - and it wasn't from rain). There are just so many other better choices for the same $40.
The Raven at Verrado, on the other hand, is a really neat course. It is part of a housing development, as most new courses are, but not all that intrusive as the playing corridors are really wide. The course plays firm and fast and there are a good variety of holes. The back nine really takes advantage of the natural contours of the site adjacent to the mountains including a 300 yard par 4 straight uphill to a green benched into the slope that is basically hidden except for the false front.
Ocotillo is another layout I'm not fond of, lots of water, lots of houses and an uninteresting course that really offers nothing for the out of town visitor.
For the OP - definintely watch the overseed schedule. I would recommend hitting courses that have NOT yet overseeded. It takes 3-4 weeks for the greens to become marginally playable, more like 6-8 weeks until they are really good.
I agree with the others on the We-Ko-Pa and Talking Stick recommendations. SunRidge Canyon and Legend Trail are pretty good. Troon and Grayhawk are good but just plain overpriced. The new TPC Champions course is good and a bargain rate ($45 walking rate in the winter for both resident and visitors). Skip the TPC Stadium.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the results of the Papago renovation!
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I liked Raven but feel like a lot of the holes look and feel the same. I also think it's overpriced.
I thought $40 was fairly reasonable to be honest.
40 is not bad its the 180 they charge in the winter that is way out of line
That was my point. $180 is insane for that place. $80 would be arguable in the winter time when you can find similar rates online for places like Sunridge Canyon.