Arizona-January-on Bit of a budget?

So my wife is insist we go somewhere warm this winter. Due to work, etc. we're pretty much confined to right after the New Year. What we are trying to figure out is how to structure the trip so that I can play about 4 rounds on some decent courses(I will want at least one of the "real nice" courses though..:-), she can entertain herself while I play, and not break the bank.
Is Phoenix cheaper than Tucson? How does Scottsdale play in? We'll definitely spend some time in Tucson since I want to go to Tombstone. A lot of the packages are nearly $300 a night in the Tucson area, which we aren't about to spend, even though there is golf every day.
I'm curiuos to hear if anyone has recommendations on courses, accommodations, etc.
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Sorry to break the bad news but that is going to be one tough request to fill. Most of "good" courses here in January will be in the $150 plus range with quite a few over $200 decent will be around $100 best bet for prices is
There are so many hotel choices I dont even know where to begin,
A couple good not overly expensive courses I can think of would be Longbow in Mesa, Whirlwind Cattail and Devils Claw courses,Talking Stick North Course, and Copper Canyon(quite a long drive from Scottsdale but is a great course and way cheaper than Scottsdale prices.

Here is some more info on the courses plus all the websites
Hotel packages
A bit on the pricey side but you get to choose from some good courses, well except Camelback Padre/Camelback
Plus there is much more to do and see in the Phx area than in Tucson
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Haven't been myself, but heard good things.
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I've also used the golf now website and managed some pretty good deals in and around the Tucson area. I would look for Ventana Canyon, Vistoso, and Starr Pass. All pretty good courses that I have gotton on for less than 75.00 even during peak season.
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I figure there would be a price to pay for particularly the better courses, which is why I figured one high end round and then play some mid-level courses after that. I'm from Southern Ontario. If it's January I'm just glad to be playing golf at that point!!
That is good info about those sites. I know LMG is not very single-friendly, how is golfnow?
Does peak season start right at jan 1? Prior to it? Or is more February? We're looking Jan 3-10, so I was hoping people wouldn't be flocking there just yet...
It is starting to look like the amount my wife and I discussed spending = I don't play golf....lol...
I'll look at the links you gave mbateman. Are you familiar with hotel prices between Phoenix and Tucson? Is one more expensive than the other? Anyone know how far out you can book a time with golfnow?
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golfnow is the best site for phx golf prices and is single friendly and the primary source of 90% of my golf bookings, I usually have no problems booking a couple days out, the downside is you cannot book that far in advance so you would have to wing it, but they do have enough courses to choose from. If you get a chance sign up for free and set up the email alerts so you get the emails for even better pricing.
Peak season is Jan-April right now we just started the shoulder season and rates went way up October 1st.

Just another hint too January is very busy here with Barrett Jackson and the other Classic Car Auctions as well as the FBR at the end of Jan/1st weekend in Feb so hotels tend to get a premium if you are here one of those weekends
Oh one other course that is worth looking into is the Champions Course @ TPC Scottsdale.
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mbateman, had a few more questions pop up..
how many of the courses allow walking during that time?
Someone on another board indicates that they play with locals when they go down, and never pay the crazy rate. Do the shops charge local rate if one is in the group?
Just how bad is traffic down there? i'm hearing some real horror stories....
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mbateman, had a few more questions pop up..
how many of the courses allow walking during that time?
Someone on another board indicates that they play with locals when they go down, and never pay the crazy rate. Do the shops charge local rate if one is in the group?
Just how bad is traffic down there? i'm hearing some real horror stories....
Walking in Az hmmm a couple dog track munis let you walk but for good courses We-Ko-Pa is a must walk plus a must play and they do have a local rate, If you are playing on a Sunday or Monday I would gladly join you and try to get you the local rate, most of the courses are mandatory cart included in green fee Tpc Scottsdale (both courses) allow walking as well and have a local rate at the Champions course but check ids on all players.
Check to see if you can hook up with someone here who has a Troon card it is a great discount at all the Troon managed courses like Troon Monument/Pinnacle Talking Stick Whirlwind etc
Traffic is really not all that bad its not LA or anything the town is really spread out so it can take some time to get to the outskirts for places like Copper Canyon and Gold Canyon
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mbateman, had a few more questions pop up..
how many of the courses allow walking during that time?
Someone on another board indicates that they play with locals when they go down, and never pay the crazy rate. Do the shops charge local rate if one is in the group?
Just how bad is traffic down there? i'm hearing some real horror stories....
Walking in Az hmmm a couple dog track munis let you walk but for good courses We-Ko-Pa is a must walk plus a must play and they do have a local rate, If you are playing on a Sunday or Monday I would gladly join you and try to get you the local rate, most of the courses are mandatory cart included in green fee Tpc Scottsdale (both courses) allow walking as well and have a local rate at the Champions course but check ids on all players.
Check to see if you can hook up with someone here who has a Troon card it is a great discount at all the Troon managed courses like Troon Monument/Pinnacle Talking Stick Whirlwind etc
Traffic is really not all that bad its not LA or anything the town is really spread out so it can take some time to get to the outskirts for places like Copper Canyon and Gold Canyon
Just to clarfiy We Ko Pa is a must walk or ride? I would certainly take you up on your offer for no other reason than it's much better to play with a fellow wrx'er than some of the people I've been paired up with at some courses. The plan right now is get in Saturday and leave Saturday, so Sunday/Monday could be easily arranged. Hopefully you like morning play...
May be able to actually play after all......:-)
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You might also want to give the sonoran suites deals a look-up until recently we've used them to stay and play in the Scottsdale/Phoeniz area-they have pretty good inclusive golf packages and the condos are really pretty nice.
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You might also want to give the sonoran suites deals a look-up until recently we've used them to stay and play in the Scottsdale/Phoeniz area-they have pretty good inclusive golf packages and the condos are really pretty nice.
I got a quote from them for Tucson....needless to say my wife asked me where the money for that quote was coming from, because it was way more than we want to spend for the whole trip. Of course, they had us staying at El Conquistador, and playing two rounds there and Ventana Canyon, so it wasn't surprising....maybe there are more options around Phoenix....I'll check again...
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The last time we used them (2 years back) there were multiple levels of course play and condos available in the Scottsdale/Phoenix area. Don't know how they are doing business as of now.
Playing Ventana Canyon is an experience-we stayed at the resort and played there a few years back-the signature hole on the mountain course has got to be played to be believed. The resort was terrific as well as the amenities but it was $$$.
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We Ko Pa is a must walk, coore crenshaw designed the course to be walked, not to mention it is cart path only in the winter so you are better off walking.
Plus both courses are in the top 50 of golf magazines top 100 public courses, No homes just pure desert and great views on top of an outstanding layout
Early morning is fine leaves time for 36 NFL playoffs that time of year
Green fees in Jan
Non resident $180 Resident $95 I should be able to get you the resident rate with some creativity
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Since you mentioned walking, one of the best deals going in Scottsdale high season is the TPC Scottslale Champions course. They have a two-tier price structure for locals/out-of-towners where the tourists pay a lot more. 2008 price was $69 locals / $130 out-of-town (with cart). That's still a pretty good deal for an upscale Scottsdale course, however - GET THIS: Walking rate was $43 for both locals and visitors ! Pretty good deal. Don't know if this will change for 2009. There's your best bang.
Like others mentioned, many of the upscale resorts and real-estate development courses are cart-ball golf. Some places may allow walking but rarely give a break on price.
If you were going to splurge on one course, I would second the recommendation of We-Ko-Pa Saguaro. This Coore & Crenshaw course is but two years old, but appears on both Golfweek and Golf magazine's top 100 public lists. Just to clarify - it is not a "walking only" course, but is laid out for walking with tees near the greens. As mbateman said, it is cart path only during the winter, so it is almost stupid to take a cart. This course will give you a real flavor of Arizona desert golf, but has generous playing corridors, is great fun to play, and best of all, is not surrounded by housing. The views are unforgettable. Coming from Canada, you would not be disappointed. Right now, they are showing a rate of $180 up to 1/15/09.
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Agreed on The TPC Champions Course it is a great layout since the redesign and I actually like it better than the Stadium, plus its right down the street from me and you cant beat 43$ I didnt know they offered that rate to non residents so that is good to know, also easy to walk with short transitions from green to tee
I can also get resident rates at the Biltmore Links course @$69.99 if I am the one to book the tee time online ok course for the price usually in great shape and one great downhill par 3 with 360* views of the valley
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Agreed on The TPC Champions Course it is a great layout since the redesign and I actually like it better than the Stadium, plus its right down the street from me and you cant beat 43$ I didnt know they offered that rate to non residents so that is good to know, also easy to walk with short transitions from green to tee
I can also get resident rates at the Biltmore Links course @$69.99 if I am the one to book the tee time online ok course for the price usually in great shape and one great downhill par 3 with 360* views of the valley
TPC Champions for $43 will keep me married!!...lol...that sounds like a great deal...
How far off do you book tee times as a local? You will likely be seeing a PM from me within a few weeks.....
Biltmore sounds interesting, although We ko Pa for the rate you mentioned probably sounds like a better option....we may split between Phoenix and Tucson, so I may only play twice in Phoenix.
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Agreed on The TPC Champions Course it is a great layout since the redesign and I actually like it better than the Stadium, plus its right down the street from me and you cant beat 43$ I didnt know they offered that rate to non residents so that is good to know, also easy to walk with short transitions from green to tee
I can also get resident rates at the Biltmore Links course @$69.99 if I am the one to book the tee time online ok course for the price usually in great shape and one great downhill par 3 with 360* views of the valley
TPC Champions for $43 will keep me married!!...lol...that sounds like a great deal...
How far off do you book tee times as a local? You will likely be seeing a PM from me within a few weeks.....
Biltmore sounds interesting, although We ko Pa for the rate you mentioned probably sounds like a better option....we may split between Phoenix and Tucson, so I may only play twice in Phoenix.
If you are just going to play 2 in Phx then We Ko Pa is a must play and I would play TPC Champions course over Biltmore.
TPC website says I can book 90 days out, Definatley shoot me a Pm before you get down here, I can only book resident rates at We ko Pa 5 days in advance but it should not be a problem at all to get a time at either of the courses. check We Ko Pa out online and let me know which one you want to play Either the Saguaro (newer course) or Cholla (original course and higher rated) I have played Saguaro and I have posted some pics on here from it (chasing the ultimate photo thread)
Edit: here is the link to the pics they are towards the bottom of pg 4
Personal thoughts is Cholla seems a bit better, I love the Saguaro course but some of the yardages are all over the place it has a bunch of short par 4's 300-325 ish and a 5+ super long par 4s 470-515 from the tips 460-490 from the one ups. Cholla's yardages are a little more even. you really cant go wrong with either plus they do have a 36 hole special.
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Agreed on The TPC Champions Course it is a great layout since the redesign and I actually like it better than the Stadium, plus its right down the street from me and you cant beat 43$ I didnt know they offered that rate to non residents so that is good to know, also easy to walk with short transitions from green to tee
I can also get resident rates at the Biltmore Links course @$69.99 if I am the one to book the tee time online ok course for the price usually in great shape and one great downhill par 3 with 360* views of the valley
Yeah like 4 to 5 and 7 to 8... heh. Long walks.
Either way I would never pay $130 to play Champions, it's just not worth it - I'd rather go down to We Ko Pa or Eagle Mountain.
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Thanks mbateman81, you'll be hearing from me.
Now that a Phoenix end is covered, anyone got any Tucson connections or should I stick to Phoenix for the week? Wife is happy to chill out by a pool, and do a little shopping, so either place should be able to cover that.....
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My advice for anybody looking to find value in Phoenix in the winter is simple: go west.
The west side of town is where you're going to find better value. Check out places like Raven at Verrado, Trilogy at Vistancia, Wigwam Gold. All are quite good and you can find good deals on golfnow.
Two other places that are worth considering if you're looking to save a little cash so you can play we-ko-pa or something are Vistal and Coldwater. Both are at least decent and you can usually get on there for under 50 bucks.
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Bumping to see if anyone has any Tucson ideas, or if we should just plan on Phoenix.