I need help...a different where to play in Phoenix question?

Hi all,
I have read all the threads about where to play in Phoenix...great info! But...I will be there for a conference (Hyatt Regency Scottsdale at Gainey Ranch?) in a couple of weeks and a pal and I are trying to play 18 on Friday and 36 on Saturday and 36 on Sunday before the conference starts on Monday the 20th. The trouble I think I am running into is the overseeding schedule? I found this online
and it looks like almost everything will be closed or just newly re-opened. I know newly reopened usually means not great conditions (slow long grass greens, etc).
So...any suggestions for where we can play? We would of course like the best courses possible for the least amount of money...doesn't everyone :-) (and are planning on paying a "replay" fee for the second round each day to help the average cost per round). I've played TPC, Greyhawk, Raven and South Point/Hilton? down there before. I really liked Greyhawk, and TPC was good too...Raven pretty good...and i didn't care for south point/lookout. We both belong to country clubs up here (Washington state) so don't really know if that would let us somehow play "recopricle" at a club or two down there (I've never tried that before).
OH...and we dont' have to stay at that resort in Scotssdale on Friday-sunday...so if there is a place within an hour or so of the Airport...we are willing to travel if that meets our needs better (but of course would want to stay there rather than commute back and forth)
So...any and all suggestions would be very much appreciated!
Thanks,
Randy
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Man I cant think of anything thats going to be open or untouched by overseeding at the moment. Have you looked on golfnow.com? They usually have course info listed on the tee times.
Im getting my fill of golf in this week before all the muni rates go up(btw, if you are ever back in Phoenix when Aguila is open, play it, its a pretty sweet course for next to nothing!).
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Go to and click on overseeding - it is the Southwest PGA schedule so it is pretty accurate.
Coldwater Golf CLub is a pretty good course and they do not overseed until October 27 - it might be firm but it is usually in good condition right up till they seed - I used to belong to the Men's Club there.
ASU Karsten is done overseeding the 9th of October so they might be a little slow but not horrible.
Grayhawk Raptor is already done but they are having the Frys.com open there the 22-26 so they may be closed.
One of the Camelback Courses is open now.
There are not many but a few good ones. These should all have moderately good prices.
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Go to and click on overseeding - it is the Southwest PGA schedule so it is pretty accurate.
Coldwater Golf CLub is a pretty good course and they do not overseed until October 27 - it might be firm but it is usually in good condition right up till they seed - I used to belong to the Men's Club there.
ASU Karsten is done overseeding the 9th of October so they might be a little slow but not horrible.
Grayhawk Raptor is already done but they are having the Frys.com open there the 22-26 so they may be closed.
One of the Camelback Courses is open now.
There are not many but a few good ones. These should all have moderately good prices.
The course at Camelback that re-opened is poorer quality in my opinion, I prefer the Padre(my best friend works there)
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Concentrate on the 36 hole facilities in the area. Usually, these courses will close and overseed 18 holes, and then close and overseed the other when the first opens for business.
In the Scottsdale area, look at Wildfire, Camelback, the TPC (Stadium and Champions Courses, Talking Stick, McCormick Ranch, We-ko-pa (played the Saguaro there this morning. If you feel like venturing a little further, you might look at Whirlwind at Wildhorse Pass Casino in Chandler, or perhaps Wigwam (72 holes) on the westside.
Beyond that, check azcentral.com for an updated list of overseed closings. Takes a little work to play golf this time of year out here, but it can be done. Good luck.
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Tough time in Phoenix to find courses that aren't overseeding. It's too bad because October is a great month for golf. The mornings are perfect and the afternoons aren't too hot for twilight golf. I'd second the recommendation of ASU Karsten. Also check out Vistal (they're on GolfNow). Great course at the base of South Mountain for very good prices. Karsten opens up on 10/9. Vistal opened 10/2. I played Devils Claw at Whirlwind (Golfnow) this summer and it was a very nice desert course. Opens 10/9. On the WestSide Wigwam Red, Coldwater and Sundance will close for overseeding on 10/20 or later.
Make sure you call these courses first and find out the conditions of the fairways and greens.
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Vistal was pretty nice but Ive gotten so spoiled by paying $10 in the summer that now I'll have a hard time paying $45 for the course
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Vistal is certainly a nice track for the price, especially in the summers.
Gonna try to play Aguila this Sunday before the overseeding.
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Thanks All. I will call these in the next few days to see how they all are. If you know of any that seem to heal fast...please post them for me.
Also...do you know of any that do not overseed? Again...up to an hour or so away from Phoenix is OK as we can drive any direction for those three days.... Places with two courses or a good replay are preferred!
Thanks again,
Randy
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I looked at the Coldwater site...and the photos look great...but how can they be as the price seems to indicate about $30??? Feels like I am missing something? But...if they are already done overseeding...that would be a possibility. Also...tee times seem available at Greyhawk Raptor that weekend....and their site says call for a 36 hole special...will try tomorrow.
Again...any and all advice/recommendations are very much appreciated!
Randy
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Best bet is to download the overseed schedule and try to find something that overseeded early or a course that hasn't overseeded yet.
What to expect:
After overseed, I really wouldn't bother to play for at least 4 weeks, wouldn't be even be very happy (especially given the higher rates) until 6+ weeks after. This is mostly for the greens to grow in and get cut down and start rolling with some speed and trueness. Fairways are ok after 2-3 weeks, but typically kept very wet. In many cases, it's "cart path only" for the first month or two after overseed.
Right before overseed, the course is dried up and sometimes they start scalping down the fairways. I think this is a fun time to play because you get an extra 30yds of roll on your drives, but sometimes find contours that send the ball into interesting places you never discovered before. Just pretend you are playing in the British open and have fun with it.
Some Courses that will not have overseeded per the SWPGA schedule: (scheduled close date in parenthesis best to call to confirm)
TPC Scottsdale Champions (11/3) A nice course and a great walking rate.
Talking Stick North (10/20) Another great course, but more $$$
McCormick Ranch Palm Course - (10/27) Nice course, nothing super special.
Otherwise look for courses that started the overseed a month ago. Grayhawk Raptor was overseeded early because they have the Frys.com open starting 10/22 but I don't know if they'll let you on the course that close to the tournament.
If you want to drive out of town, 1.5 hours north is the town of Prescott, elevation 5000', they have different grass that doesn't require overseed. Antelope Hills (36 holes) is the town muni, great shape, fun courses. Also Stoneridge Canyon is a new upscale course (haven't played it, heard it is tough) Stay at the Springhill Suites, walking distance to downtown Prescott "Whiskey Row." A fun party place for sure. Check the weather report, will be much cooler than in Phoenix.
ENJOY!
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The best course is Scottsdale Silverado. They do overseeding early so they're done now. I just played there yesterday.
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Legend Trail did not overseed and is running 75$ green fees right now for a great course in fantastic shape since it was closed all summer when they redid the greens.
Arizona Biltmore Links course does not overseed untill later this month
We ko Pa Saguaro is set for the 13th but will prob be shaved pretty low= huge roll out as mentioned before.
Edit: Here is the most updated overseed schedule I could find
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Thanks again all...this is exactly the type if info I was looking for! I will look into Prescott on the web. thanks too TJY...those sound interesting and good recommendations. I too prefer right before overseeding than right after...for the same reasons you mention.
Anyone else...please keep em coming!
Thanks again.
Randy
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Just got an email from Grayhawk tonight they close down that thursday so it looks like you will be out of luck on that one.
Eagle mountain completes their overseed 10/11 and that is a great track with nice views of the valley.

Troon Monument done on 10/2 Pinnacle done 9/25 if you dont mind spending the $$ great tracks to play cant go wrong with either
Other than those I would suggest Whirlwind Devils Claw done on 10/9 also
Sunridge Canyon done 10/11 another outstanding track great option if you want to play 36 you could play eagle mountain in the am drive 5 miles and play sunridge in the afternoon.
EDIT: dont forget to check golfnow.com/phx for some deals. Eagle mtn and whirlwind are listed on the site as well as troon
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you would have a great time in prescott...don't rule out sedona-and bring a camera...In town Silverado is looking good but real easy track...fun, convenient, but nothing special.
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I was up in Sedona last week and the weather was perfect and Sedona Golf Resort was in amazing condition as well
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Hi All,
Thanks again for all the advice...very much appreciated! You were correct too...it is a lot of work to find something that works this time of the year. The trip is this coming Friday...and after too much studying of the Overseeding schedules and your guys recommendations...we booked what we hope is some golf at the current (condition and course) best courses available....
Saturday we are set at 7:00 AM at Siverado Golf Club with a $29 replay already booked for 12:30.
Sunday we are set for a 7:14 AM time at TPC Scottsdale - Champions Course for the $42 walkers special...then we will play a reply (Oh...by the way I called them last week to confirm the walking special and also the replay...and they suggested the best day for a reply is Sunday because so many people are leaving town on Sundays so the PM is less crowded. She also told me for the Sunday AM time it would be a good idea to go online at 12:01 AM this past sunday to book the time....).
We are still looking for where to play Friday afternoon when we arrive...but may just do a "golf-now" when we get there.
Anyway...thanks again to everyone for your help!
Colebob
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Try Legend Trail in North Scottsdale the course is in fantastic shape now the new greens are great and the overseed was done a while ago so the conditions are the best I have seen in october out here.
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Colebob how were the rounds? and where did you end up for your Friday course?
I ended up playing Silverado on monday and surprisingly it was in the best shape I have ever seen it. Tpc champions still looks like it is in decent shape minus all the construction on the hotel or whatever that monstrosity is going in in the middle of the course
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Colebob how were the rounds? and where did you end up for your Friday course?
I ended up playing Silverado on monday and surprisingly it was in the best shape I have ever seen it. Tpc champions still looks like it is in decent shape minus all the construction on the hotel or whatever that monstrosity is going in in the middle of the course
Tell me more about Silverado. That course seems like the most awkwardly routed layout, like they had a site that was not enough room for a golf course, but they built it anyway. It looks like there is a section where there is only room for one hole so they alternated them IN and OUT and when you're playing the IN holes you have to take a cart drive past the OUT holes playing in the other direction?? This seems goofy to me. But again, I guess the choices are limited during the overseed months.
We went out to Globe and played the Apache Stronghold on Sunday. Conditioning is rough but that is one of the coolest courses in the state.
Tom
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Tom
Silverado is definatley a wierd layout, but for 25$ twilight and considering it is in much better shape after the overseed it was worth playing (I play it maybe 2-3 times a year out of 50+rounds).
The front nine is built into the original Indian Bend Wash and gets destroyed when it rains and floods out the course. The front nine is about as bland as bland can be on a course nothing real spectacular just 9 average golf holes.
The back nine is a bit better, but is very spread out and winds towards Pima road and back and has some more interesting holes on it with a little bit trickier greens. It is a course I would not recomend that anyone coming from out of town go play especially when Talking Stick is right down the street.
I do love the semi blind tee shot on Ten just bomb it over the marker pole on the right and cut the corner to leave a little wedge in.
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Legend Trail: Due to the work they did this year, they are now open and it is a great course.
Ocotillo and Kierland: They have 27 holes, so they overseed 9 at a time and keep the other 18 open. Call and see the status.
Grayhawk: You played it, but it is hosting the Fry's open so the course will be prime.
Quintero: This is a private course that is running specials to let public play. One of the best courses anywhere!!!
Outside of Phoenix:
Prescott: Stoneridge(awesome track), Antelope Hills(Has 36 holes)
Sedona