Private Club Tee Time procedure-Singles can't book?

I am deciding between 2 clubs to join for next year. When asking some questions of the one, I was told that the tee time procedure is online, and a twosome, threesome or foursome can book a time, but a single can only put their name in where a twosome or threesome has already booked. Essentially if you don't have buddies/regular game that play at the same time as you, you're at the mercy of the other members. If all foursomes book up you can't get a time.
Is this a common method for tee times? Seems a little unfair that a person who has paid their money can't make a tee time if they don't have someone else they will play with.....
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My club better never tell me that I cant book a time for a single! I f your paying initiation fees dues and so on, you should be able to book a time as a single. i wouldn't join the one who doesn't allow it.
Are they also saying you cant play by yourself, even if there isnt a soul on the course?
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The rules of golf have changed my friends!
Single balls have as much standing on the golf course as any other match!
You might want to mention that to them!
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In fairness, I was told that if no one has taken the spot, a person can call the pro shop and they will put you in....but yeah I was a little concerned on that one....
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Yes that is common. Not many clubs if any are going to let a single book a tee time for just that one person. Especially not on Fri, Sat and Sun. unless it is very late in the afternoon. They have many members, all trying to get on the course. No way are they going to give a single a time for one person to take up a spot. Plus it complicates pace of play.
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Sounds rather insulting to me, but I am spoiled no tee times at my club at all
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Yes that is common. Not many clubs if any are going to let a single book a tee time for just that one person. Especially not on Fri, Sat and Sun. unless it is very late in the afternoon. They have many members, all trying to get on the course. No way are they going to give a single a time for one person to take up a spot. Plus it complicates pace of play.
Here's my thought to that though(and perhaps I worded my original post poorly): I'm not taking up 4 slots, I'm taking one. There are three other slots that members can take. I'm not booking Bluefan75 x 4, or Bluefan75 and guest, guest, guest. Just Bluefan75. Nowhere does it say that other members can't fill in. This club does not allow guests until almost lunchtime, so that's not the issue. I'd never dream of asking to play alone on a weekend morning. I fully expect to be paired up and that's perfectly ok with me. In fact I welcome it. But why should I have to wait for less than 4 people to make a time to get myself a slot?
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Are you saying that you'd like to go out by yourself, at a set time, anytime, even if you're in between two other foursomes? If so, then I think that may, in fact, be something the club doesn't want to see happen.
Rather than looking at it negatively, I'd tend to look on the positive side. The rule is probably in place so that you DO bring guests (so that you can show off the course, bring revenue to the club, and maybe interest new people in membership). It may also be in place so that you're encouraged to meet other members and get involved in the groups of other members. This is good for a club. Furthermore, taken to the extreme, if four singles take four tee times such that four foursomes can't be playing them, then that's money to the club that is foregone, and it can needlessly slow play (assuming that those people might have been able to play together).
Just like a dentist makes money by keeping a full schedule of patients, most courses need a lot of people to play the course to be fiscally sound. I don't think it's a bad rule if these ideas are the intent.
If this is a big issue to you, then I'd simply look for a club with different rules. I've never really understood the rationale behind joining a club that has rules with which you don't agree. No point in joining and then complaining.
I know that my club lets singles out after 5:00 on weekdays (not sure what the deal is on weekends), and that 5:00 rule seems pretty lax -- ie, if there's no one out there, they'll say to just go ahead out. Personally, this works great for walking 9 holes after work. Otherwise, I tend to want to golf with my friends, so I've never been too concerned otherwise.
Good luck!
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Here's my thought to that though(and perhaps I worded my original post poorly): I'm not taking up 4 slots, I'm taking one. There are three other slots that members can take. I'm not booking Bluefan75 x 4, or Bluefan75 and guest, guest, guest. Just Bluefan75. Nowhere does it say that other members can't fill in. This club does not allow guests until almost lunchtime, so that's not the issue. I'd never dream of asking to play alone on a weekend morning. I fully expect to be paired up and that's perfectly ok with me. In fact I welcome it. But why should I have to wait for less than 4 people to make a time to get myself a slot?
But if you're a single, and a foursome shows up, then they need to take the NEXT tee time while it remains to be seen whether or not a single, double, or triple -- who don't mind playing with you -- show up. I know it's splitting hairs, but if fewer than four people don't show up for the time you've booked, then you HAVE taken that time for yourself. And if a foursome shows up, then they're not going to break up their foursome so that you can play with them. They've effectively been bumped by your single reservation. You know?
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Are you saying that you'd like to go out by yourself, at a set time, anytime, even if you're in between two other foursomes? If so, then I think that may, in fact, be something the club doesn't want to see happen.
Rather than looking at it negatively, I'd tend to look on the positive side. The rule is probably in place so that you DO bring guests (so that you can show off the course, bring revenue to the club, and maybe interest new people in membership). It may also be in place so that you're encouraged to meet other members and get involved in the groups of other members. This is good for a club. Furthermore, taken to the extreme, if four singles take four tee times such that four foursomes can't be playing them, then that's money to the club that is foregone, and it can needlessly slow play (assuming that those people might have been able to play together).
Just like a dentist makes money by keeping a full schedule of patients, most courses need a lot of people to play the course to be fiscally sound. I don't think it's a bad rule if these ideas are the intent.
If this is a big issue to you, then I'd simply look for a club with different rules. I've never really understood the rationale behind joining a club that has rules with which you don't agree. No point in joining and them complaining.
I know that my club lets singles out after 5:00 on weekdays (not sure what the deal is on weekends), and that 5:00 rule seems pretty lax -- ie, if there's no one out there, they'll say to just go ahead out. Personally, this works great for walking 9 holes after work. Otherwise, I tend to want to golf with my friends, so I've never been too concerned otherwise.
Good luck!
First off, it's a private club where all the members pay dues, so there is no revenue question unless members leave. At the times I would be playing, there are no guests allowed. Given the limits and costs on guests, the club is not very interested in having guests play the course. It is for the members, which is fine by me. What I don't get is why I need to wait for John, joe and Jeff to make a time in order to get myself on the tee sheet, when they could easily put my name in there and they could join me. And why would John, Joe, Jeff and Jim who are paying the same money as I am have any more or less right to a spot because they play together, and I am willing to play with whoever else fills out the tee time?
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No offense intended, as you make good points, but
I see where the club is coming from, I wouldn't
want a single taking a spot where I could later on book
a 4-some in the "hopes" that someone might join the single.
And not all singles are like you in hoping to play with anyone
who will join them. Let me ask you a question, why are you
wanting to join a club if you don't have anyone to play with there?
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First off, it's a private club where all the members pay dues, so there is no revenue question unless members leave.
When people don't play, they often don't buy from the pro shop, or drink in the bar, or use and tip caddies, etc., etc. Then dues go up to offset this and to cover other things, and then people leave. I firmly believe that most courses want play. There are always exceptions to the rule. Maybe this club is one of them.
At the times I would be playing, there are no guests allowed. Given the limits and costs on guests, the club is not very interested in having guests play the course. It is for the members, which is fine by me. What I don't get is why I need to wait for John, joe and Jeff to make a time in order to get myself on the tee sheet, when they could easily put my name in there and they could join me. And why would John, Joe, Jeff and Jim who are paying the same money as I am have any more or less right to a spot because they play together, and I am willing to play with whoever else fills out the tee time?
Some things to consider, right or wrong:
1) It IS a private club, where everyone pays dues and calls the shots. They can make whatever rules they want.
2) If, as a single, you play faster than most other groups, then you make the group in front of you feel like they have to let you through. And maybe they should. But I'd say they're trying to avoid that situation, since no one wants to feel pressured out there. If you play SLOWLY as a single, then you'll incur that wrath of the people behind you. It's really a no-win situation.
3) Joe, Jeff, and Jim have all gotten to know each other, and maybe are looking for a 4th. You should get to know them.
4) The REAL bottom line is that you could probably handle this outside of the rules by letting your pro know what you intentions are and seeing if he/she can pair you up around a given time.
I think you'll set yourself up for being disappointed if you make it a "my money is as good as any other member's money" kind of argument, since it doesn't sound like it is. Why not find out from the members what their take is on the issue? Or ask the pro? If the answer is something like "I don't know --- it's stupid and has no purpose," then maybe you really don't need to worry about it being an issue. If there's a good answer, then maybe you can change the way you feel about it.
Are you really thinking it's going to be a problem to find another person to play with you often?
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Simple answer is to meet other members and join in with the various groups.
A single that books an entire time during peak time is stupid in my opinion.
You are at a private club....it'll be a good idea to meet other members and set up a game.
As for the "why can't a 2-3some just join me instead?" arguement...why should the 2-3some have to cater to the time you put in. What if they want to play @ 8:30am and your time is at 7:53am?
They have their group, they can book a time, why should 2 or 3 players have to cater to 1?
As for the reverse....as a single you are trying to jump in with somebody's game...the 2-3some already has a game set, the onus is on you to jump in with them, not the other way around.
At our club singles can't book times alone. I have no issues with it.
And this is coming from a single that just joined a private club this year.
Go out and meet other members, and you won't have this issue anymore. I played a lot of club events, met lots of players, and found myself various groups to play with.....I NEVER have any issues with finding a game, or not being able to play.
Talk to the club pros...and they will help set you up with various playing groups.....it's part of the service they provide.
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I should clarify a few things I suppose. #1 The club is on my radar and I'm not dismissing it because it is 5 minutes from my house. I know from experience that this is an invaluable factor. #2 The reason I'm not assuming playing partners is because I don't know anyone there. By all means I have no problem meeting up with some people, and if there are some players that I can play with somewhat regularly I will certainly do that. I have no idea until I can have a frank discussion with a friend of mine, but the club is one of the more established clubs in this area, and I can't shake the feeling there is a bit of an old boys network that monopolizes the times. I could be completely wrong about it, my friend loves it there, and he played the same time I like to play at the old club we were at. He likely would have complained, so I may be making a mounain out of a molehill.
I could very well just go to the club, hit some balls and tell the pro to throw me in, but I just don't like the whenever aspect of that. It was worked out very well that one guy always made a time for me at my last club, and I'm sure eventually I can reach that point. But how long before that happens? I guess that it what the trial membership is for though.
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From my experience it took all of 1 week to get hooked up with a regular group/game.
Granted I'm a very low handicap that plays competitively so it was very easy for me to jump in with the other low cappers.
And with most groups there is ALWAYS 1 guy that usually books the times for the group....every course I've been with and every group I've played with has the same thing. 1 goto guy that books for the rest.
As for the "when ever" aspect of getting on. Pretty much a non issue. Perhaps on weekends it'll be tougher, but it won't take long to get hooked into a regular game.
During the week day, even though the tee sheet may be packed, you'll generally find a game VERY quick. As it's a members only, and the course doesn't worry about "lost" revenue for no-shows and such, you'll mostly find that regular groups will book their time, and whoever shows up plays.
Much different than a public track, where people call in to cancel, or it they book a time for 4...4 guys show up. At most private courses the names go it whether or not everybody is able to play.
As for monopolizing the tee-times, most private courses work on a ballot system for weekends/holidays (basically a draw depending on you tee time preference) so the same group doesn't always get the most sought after time...unless nobody else wants it.
But even then you'll most likely tee off within an hour of your tee time preference.
To add, from what I've seen there are a lot of groups that book back to back times (like the groups I play in) and whoever shows up plays. So we can have as few as 3 and as many as 10 show up for the 2 slots. If all 10 show up, we play in 2 groups of 5....if less we adjust accordingly.
On fridays we book 4 times back to back and may get 20 guys out.
Pretty common practice from what I understand.
I'd talk to your friend and pick his brain....he'd know best as he's a member of that particular club.
But I wouldn't worry much about not being able to book as a single. Honestly it's a non issue.
If you are a friendly guy that just enjoys playing golf, it's not hard to meet other members and get a regular game going.
The inability to book as a single really shoudn't be the make/break if you are going to join a club.
There are MUCH bigger things (e.g. if you would enjoy playing the course for the next 20 years, the general attitude of the membership [some courses are very status driven, while others are golf driven], etc.)
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I think the reason being for the rule is that the main resource the club has when it comes to golfer is time. They only have so much time in a day to allow golfers to play a round. Singles screw up the system. It's kind of like an assembly line out there and that's why they want foursomes, because it keeps everything in order from a timing perspective (unless the foursome is painfully slow).
I think it's more of a precautionary measure for busy days where the course may fill all of the tee times. Let's say you schedule a Saturday tee time on Monday for yourself. The tee time sheet may only be a 1/4 full at the time. But let's say Friday roles around, now the twosomes and threesomes are at the mercy of when you scheduled your tee time. The course could live with a twosome or a threesome on the course from a pace of play perspective, but a single is just too big of a problem. Plus, majority wins.
Generally I find clubs, particularly private clubs, to not give singles much rope. I've set tee times and worked in pro shops where I took tee times and I was always under the assumption that the member can more or less recommend a time they want to play, but the course has the final say of when you can play mainly because they have to find what's open. And at the courses I've worked at, we always paired up singles and doubles and if they didn't like the tee time..then tough.
3JACK