Does anyone play at a country club where the pro NEVER plays?

a little background....
at my country club the "former" pro played with members ALL the time (possibly why he isn't employed anymore...)
but this new pro (he's been here 3+ years) only gives lessons, ive NEVER seen him play 18 holes with any member, hell ive never seen him swing a club, but just a couple times on the range.
We have our "ryder cup" format tourney this weekend, and the old format pitted the club pro as one capt. against the reigning club champ.
this year it's the club champ/senior club champ
rant off, i just wonder if this happens at any of you guys courses/country clubs?
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My Pro is a little older late 60's so i think he does not play because his body is worn down. But to answer your question i never see him play only gives lessons.
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Not trying to upset but......your point is???
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yeah, what's the big deal
are you trying to get free lessons by playing a round with the guy or something?
his job is to teach, not to play
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never seen my pro swing a club. Good teacher though. Big guy, bet he'd MELT the ball
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Biggest miss-conception in (Club) Professional Golf is that you get to play all the time!
Trust me you don't!
Its business my friends!
There are only a lucky few who have the chance to do this all the time!
Sadly it sounds as if your hard working Professional falls under the unlucky banner.
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his job is to teach, not to play
Unfortunately a golf professionals job is much, much more complicated than that. Teaching is just one aspect of it. Depending on the club he or she works at, expectations to playing with the membership a certain amount, or in local/section/national events could comprise part of their employment contract as well, it really depends on the club.
Teaching as a sole responsibility is typically the role of the employed teaching professional, at least at most of the clubs that I know of.
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playing golf with the same people that b!tch at you all day long is the last thing on your mind.
oops. did i just say that?
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The last thing I want to do after working 60-70 hour weeks behind the counter is play golf. If you want to get out of the golf business, get into the golf business.
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i think i may have gotten maybe oh..........36 holes in this month.
maybe 4 or 5 strung together at once.
don't get me wrong....i'd love to play with some the members every day. the time isn't there. i love the golf business and i love to play golf. too bad the latter doesn't happen more often.
i covet those 4 or 5 holes.
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Happens all of the time. I can think of 3 courses in my hometown where I don't think I've seen all three pros play more than 5 times combined.
It sort of depends on the course. A lot of courses have a great deal with head pros where they just have to put in a minimum of 40 hours per week in the shop (and that includes giving lessons). But there's plenty of courses that basically forces head pros to work 60+ hours a week. I worked part-time as an Assistant Pro 10 years ago and just working part-time behind the counter is enough to make you want to go on a 7 state killing spree sometimes...particularly if you're at a muni or a resort course. So working 60+ hours, you just want to do anything but golf.
That being said, I think it's still a case of wanting to golf. I knew plenty of pros who work 60+ hours a week that still loved the game enough to go and find time to play about a couple times a week. And then I've known pros that work 36 hours a week and never play.
YAKUZA
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Country clubs used to want a REAL player as their head pro. It was a point of pride in your club and came in handy in inter-club events. However, today, most clubs want their head pro to arrange their tournaments, help sell the memberships, and do lots of other things othen than play and practice. The pro is smart enough to know that his game is not in great shape and he is not going to expose his shortcomings.
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I played at a club some years ago, where the Pro was a good
player and joined our group about once a week. We were about
12 or 15 strong and ranged from 0 to 8 hdcp.'s. After this went on for
several weeks, a group appeared before the Board and lodged a complaint,
that the Pro never played with anyone else. We had invited him. He posted a
sign-up sheet in the Pro Shop to "Play with the Pro", that he would be happy to
play with any member who wanted him too. 30 days later he took it down, not
one member signed up.
The role of a good Club Professional is one of the hardest and most under appreciated
that I know of, I admire those who stick with it, they truly love the game.
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I played at a club some years ago, where the Pro was a good
player and joined our group about once a week. We were about
12 or 15 strong and ranged from 0 to 8 hdcp.'s. After this went on for
several weeks, a group appeared before the Board and lodged a complaint,
that the Pro never played with anyone else. We had invited him. He posted a
sign-up sheet in the Pro Shop to "Play with the Pro", that he would be happy to
play with any member who wanted him too. 30 days later he took it down, not
one member signed up.
The role of a good Club Professional is one of the hardest and most under appreciated
that I know of, I admire those who stick with it, they truly love the game.
I suppose you insinuate that those that got the hell out of it dont love the game
As and ex member of the PGA of America and a person who gave ten years to the business I find that a bit insulting. I never gave up on the game I gave up on the people and trying to squeeze a living out of it.
Why do golf pros not play.
1. too tired work way to much
2. Afraid of getting accused of goofing off
3. Afraid if they choose to play with someone they will get accussed of favoritism
4 More than a little afraid that there games will not meet expectations
Imagine never practicing seldom getting to play and you tee it up with your members shoot 90 and they go off and brag how they beat the pro or what a hack he was
I always gave time to my game not enough time but enough that I did not hack and I played at my clubs and in a lot of section tournaments Basically I never had a day off I was playing a tournament
I remember playing in a pro am once one of the guys I drew on my team was a 3 handicap
I shot somewhere around par beat him easily and our team finished in the top four that day I think I was like second low pro
This guy made a big deal about wanting to buy me a drink telling everyone how nice it was to play with a Pro he could not beat.
I blew the guy away right in front of his friends letting him know how hard most Pros work and if they played or practiced as much as he did they would destroy him because he did not have that much game to begin with.
Oh well I guess thats my rant. Golf pros can not win its that simple I respect them but I have no idea why they continue to do it. Believe me its not for the money.
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I work as a assistant.
Today I hit balls on the range for about 15 min after a lesson. This is the first time I have hit balls in over a month, that's no exageration I have not played in about 6 weeks. So from my perpective it is perfectly understandable to have a pro who never plays. On my days off, the last thing on my mind is heading out to a golf course I spend too much time at already. Don't get me wrong I love my job, I love teaching and interacting with the membership, unfortunatley golf just is not much a part of the golf business.
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Happens at my club, as far as a I can tell.
I don't think it's very unusual. I have 3 members of my family who are or were club pros and they rarely played. They're too busy selling shirts or giving lessons!
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geez. i had no idea it was like that for a golf pro. i always thought it would be such an awesome/fun job. that just stinks
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geez. i had no idea it was like that for a golf pro. i always thought it would be such an awesome/fun job. that just stinks
When I was young so did I. Trust me there are good jobs out there I had a great job as and assistant and the Pro I worked for stayed there until he retired.
I played everynight and my day off if I was not playing a tournament on occassion I got to play with the Sunday morning group.
My Pro played about one night a week with me , Had play with the Pro on Saturday and we sort of split the Sundays.
Was it a lot of golf nope was it enough no way.
Golf Pros spend a lot of time as clerks business men Supervisors (its sort of a job)
Running a tournament is ok and teaching could be special I loved teaching juniors.
But anyone that says they enjoy teaching a 60 year old man or lady how to get it airborn is lying
Or maybe its just me?
LOL
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Most club pros, don't have the time to practice. They're to busy running the business! My brother in law puts in tons of hours and then comes to California to play on his vacation and gets beat by me. My friend is a pro at a CC and he never plays, but gets a new set of stix every year!
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Most club pros, don't have the time to practice. They're to busy running the business! My brother in law puts in tons of hours and then comes to California to play on his vacation and gets beat by me. My friend is a pro at a CC and he never plays, but gets a new set of stix every year!
Atleast he is maintaining his club-ho status.
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a little background....
at my country club the "former" pro played with members ALL the time (possibly why he isn't employed anymore...)
but this new pro (he's been here 3+ years) only gives lessons, ive NEVER seen him play 18 holes with any member, hell ive never seen him swing a club, but just a couple times on the range.
We have our "ryder cup" format tourney this weekend, and the old format pitted the club pro as one capt. against the reigning club champ.
this year it's the club champ/senior club champ
rant off, i just wonder if this happens at any of you guys courses/country clubs?
I got out of the golf business about a year and a half ago after 9 years. I have friends that are still in the business who rarely play. For a little while, I managed a small off course, retail store. I was there ALL the time. I remember one Saturday a frequent customer came in and asked why I wasn't out playing. My response was that "Well, I guess someone needs to be here to sell you those balls and tees." Having worked both on and off course, I'm not sure which is worse.
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Yes my friends its a tough old business!
I have worked for my current gaffer for nearly 8 years now. When i first met "The Boss" he had black hair. Now as he creeps into his decrepate old age (just turned 34) his flowing black locks have now turned a slightly worrying white.
This year he has worked consistently hard (as he always does!) for months on end without taking a day off to himself in order to provide the best service he can to everyone.
Come on!!! I hear you cry! Surely this is not the case????
But when he is not in the shop, or teaching, or doing accounts or pre-books or Tax returns or anything else associated with the small business man, he is elsewhere networking trying to make a penny and pound here and there and to try and improve the set up of his empire.
As his trusty sidekick in the "Great Game" I too have suffered at the hands of an ever hungry, time consuming shop counter or practice ground.
I average around 60-70 hours a week in the summer months performing all the duties required of a Senior Assistant and that doesnt even include the work i do at home or away on a seminar here and there to improve and develop as an Industry Professional.
There is nothing more frustrating and annoying when from out of the locker rooms comes a squad of good lads of which a round of golf with would turn out to be splendid venture, and the crys are of example........
"AAAhh young Scotgolfer1977!! Hows tricks? Fancy a few holes??" or "Lets shell a few peas later on good buddy?"
And the answer must be of the negative variety for there is simply too much to do. I won't bore you with the list of details from fear of a good sound earbashing from one of the marshalls for taking up an entire page of this thread...... BUT ITS A LOT!!!!!
I do get to play and practice on occassion, ........but rarely.
So why do i do it mon bredrin?????
Because I am a people person and I love the game of Golf!
I love the smell of a Pro Shop In the morning and a have a strange affinity for yellow range balls!!
Every day is a new challenge, the cut and thrust of selling a winter hat in the middle of summer......The thrill of coaching and YES the fact that I can help a 60 year old chap or lady get a ball airborne does make me smile!!!
(Shame on you young Kenk7us2002!!! I respect you as a retired professional and as a valued member of this forum, but after reading some of your posts in this excellent thread I can see that you lost your thurst for providing a service to those you were meant to be serving. And before you write back pistola's drawn, I know from where you speak as YES some members can be a right old pain in the gluteous maximus!! Im not having a go, just find it incredible you would talk to that 3 capper the way you did! Decorum my friend!! always decorum! I wish you all the best though as i can imagine your work was excellent otherwise and have no doubt that you must be a good man. must have been a moment of weakness!)
The moral of the story guys and gals...
Next time, when you stroll carefree into the local sticks and balls club and start telling the young assistant or Head Pro about your fantastic round and doing a hole by hole analysis with him or her, spare a thought for the poor sod........as you left jigging and laughing that morning to head for the first tee with your buddies, that sad individual was watching and wishing they were with you..And now he or she is left thinking..... Hmmmm I must wash the drool off that shirt later!
But I bet they are glad to be doing the job their doing!
I know I am!
Happy Gowfing!!
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The head pro at my club is a former PGA tour pro. He is also a very good teacher. I know he still plays and practices since he won a regional tournament of some sort and got an automatic invite to Bayhill (which he never got to play when he was on Tour). I am very excited for him! He lives on our course, so he must get out after work or before work, I guess. I saw him getting in a few holes when I was at the range after work last week.
I also know that he does a lot of work running the pro shop, and he puts up with some pretty stupid crap from members. Our membership is pretty old and I am amazed at the stuff they complain about.
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I am good friends with the pro at the club my family belongs to and he plays quite often. It is a completely private club with a few visitors coming through occasionally.
He usually plays with me at least once a month and he is always playing one or two holes with the small leagues (women’s group, means morning group, Saturday skins group, men advanced group) to build his ummm......selling potential and customer base. He is also very personal and knows every single member's first name.
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playing golf with the same people that b!tch at you all day long is the last thing on your mind.
oops. did i just say that?
I am not in the golf industry....but this is absolutely dead on!
Private club pros get the wrath of so many people...I am amazed they can still put a smile on their face and call people Mr or Mrs so-and-so. Slow play, green speed, cost of a shirt, a member who pissed me off, OB markers, etc.
I never complain about these things, but stand around and listen for an hour on a Saturday. Ridiculous.
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Ive worked at a few clubs in my day, first two they wanted me in the shop handling the everday duties as well as run my own shop. Last job i was at, I had to play. THey wanted me on the golf course everday and on the weekends the most. I loved it! PLayed a ton of golf and reallt go to know my members other then a member to golf pro relationship. IMO its a Golf Professionals duties to make sure he gets out to play a few with memebers. I know some have business' to run, but thats what assistants are for. You have to show your face out there. They dont expect you to break par all the time but playing is essential in this job.
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It's all dependent on where you are. The club I work at Im playing at least twice a week with members and usually on my days off. I have time during the day to head over to the range and beat balls for 15-20 minutes. It's all a product of your boss and the setup that you have at your club. Mine encourages us to get out there and play with the membership. Obviously, not everywhere is like this but I think it's ignorant for people to think that golf pros dont play cause thats a bunch of bull.
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It really depends on the club itself. Some clubs expect their pro to play regularly and others don't. We have some of each in my area. A good friend of mine is a club pro. At his old job he was expected to play frequently and he did. Usually avg. 20 rounds a month in season. At his new job, he is lucky to get 4 or 5 rounds in a year.
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his job is to teach, not to play
Actually, I wouldn't consider teaching the most important job of a pro;
1. Run the proshop appropriately. If tee times are necessary (and good ones hard to get), he needs to make sure they are doled out in a "fair" manner. Years ago, a very good club was ruined (membership left in droves) in part by a pro who treated members dramatically different based upon how much they spent in the proshop.
2. Run tournaments efficiently;
3. Keep members fueds to a minimum.
Finally, teaching. At most facilities, of the membership will NOT take any lessons in a given year.
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I worked at a country club for two years. I passed my PAT my second year, and worked outside. It was my intention to eventually move into the shop. I was offered the chance this year to go inside. I turned it down. I played golf as much as I possibly could, and turned down the inside job because I'd not play nearly as much. I'd be bottom of the totem pole, get the worst shifts.
And when I go work at another course this spring (got it already lined up, thankfully), I'll be working outside. I want to play golf and exhaust my talent. If I exhaust it before making it all the way, then I'll fall back to being a club pro.