Private club and "member-events"?

So I joined a club on a trial basis this year. Overall I am pleased, and if pressed for an answer would say its more likely I sign on long term as opposed to not doing so. One thing, however, that I have noticed, is the number of member events that go on. I realize there must be some, for various reasons, but overall I am of the opinion, food or not, there better be a real good reason why I am paying money to play my own course. The club championship has a fee associated, but there is a big spread of food all three days as well. until I go through the process I will refrain from having an opinion on that fact.
So I wondered, how many events is too many. Just on weekends, here are the events on the calendar.
IN early may, on a Saturday is 9am shotgun for "Men's Opener."
The next day is a 9 am shotgun for the "Ladies Opener".
In early June on a Sunday is an 11 am crossover for a "Ladies Member/Member".
The following sunday had a Social committee event with tee times blocked off from noon to 2.
The Saturday of the US Open was a "proam" type event, where your score and a pro's score from teh US open were combined to make a score. 8 am shotgun.
On July 1(which is a holiday here), the social committee has a 1 pm shotgun event, so there are about 4 tee times available first thing in the morning.
The following Saturday and Sunday have a "mid Summer classic" 2 day event with 8 am shotguns both days for the men.
The social committee has a mixed event the next sunday with an 11 am crossover.
The course aerates the greens the first full week of August to get them ready for labor day and club championship, so there really are no events in August.
Labor Day weekend is club championship Sat thru Mon.
Late in Sept a Sunday has the men's closing, an 8 am shotgun.
The following Sunday is the same for the women.
Late in October there is an event that I have no idea what it is exactly, but it too has a Sunday 9 am shotgun.
The member/guests are both played on weekdays.
In my area, you can play from April to October, and hardcore players can get out in March and November in some cases(my course did not open until nearly mid-April due to conditions). So you don't have a year round golf season. The shotguns force a person to play later, which may or may not be a big deal, but considering the guest fee is only discounted on weekend afternoons, I think a lot of members are being disrupted if they don't wish to play in these events. The crossovers may not be so bad at 11, but play does slow down since people who would tee off at 9 am and play slower are now in front of the dew sweeping rabbits on the back nine.
Is this a typical number of events at a club like this? Or is this a lot?
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I would say that is typical. As a former club pro and the person who was in charge of running those events, they were typically created or approved by the golf committee which was made up of members. There are usually the normal events, member guest, club championships, couples championships, holiday events, etc.
On the afternoon shotguns we would run a morning shotgun to allow the other members a chance to play the course in the morning. The only caveats were they needed to be off the course by 12:30 and it was limited to 22 groups, 1 per hole and 2 on the fives (kept play moving faster).
The golf committee at my clubs did not take into consideration any discounted guest rate. They were concerned with the membership first and since most of the events were full there was adequate demand.
The hard thing to balance is the remaining membership who do not want to play in these events. That was the hard part to juggle. You have a group of members that love the events and then you have a group that don't participate in those at all. That is where a solid pro and pro shop staff come in. Being able to manage the tee sheet and the tournaments in an attempt to take care of the most members is the challenge. The best pros and staffs can do it with the help of the superintendent.
As far as the level of events. Seems to be pretty standard for a socially active golf club. At the four courses that I worked at the tournament schedule was pretty busy and there always seemed to be something going on. The last on in SoCal was the busiest of the bunch. Also remember the offset to the golf course (if owned by a management company) is the cart fees and pro shop credits that are typically used for prizes of these events. This assures them that they can be as busy as possible and generate revenue from the carts, shop credits, and food/bev after the event.
Sounds like it is what it is and if you are unhappy with that set up there might be nothing you can do. If it is a huge deal might be time to look somewhere else or play in the events.
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I think I counted 13 days with events from May to October. Doesn't sound excessive to me. My course has ten events just for the month of August (granted that is the peak month here).
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The number of member events varies per club. Some clubs like member events because it not only helps members interact socially, it provides added revenue to the club. Food is costly, so are prizes.
How many tournaments has much to do with the clubs culture and how many members like competing. Over 30% of my last clubs members were single digit and liked to compete. Even the woman's club was highly competitive by comparison. We had many more organized events they you've posted. Events on Tues, Wed mens club, Thurs womens day, then sat and couples events on Sunday.
My last club has two-three organized golf events per week... but only two required additional costs to participate. Saturday mornings men's game cost $10-20; but joining the game was optional, and team golf cost extra. Some guys played on 3 different teams too. Our club Championships (both men & women) were multi-day events costing around 175-250 and the course was closed to non-participating members. We also we had a member/guest event that cost over $1000 per 2 man team, that was a 4 day event where the course was closed to any non-participating members.
I can't count the number of times where I was relegated to play after the shotgun finished, so I would play elsewhere that day. Which brings me to the typical reasons for joining a private club; which has little to do with how many seasons of play exist. Both my wife and I love socializing as much as the golf.
If you feel that number of events is a bit much maybe you should ask yourself if you're a joiner and what you're expecting from the experience. Private club membership isn't for everyone; in fact its a lifestyle for most members.
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The events listed are mainly scrambles, 2 person team events, etc., and some are women's events that I couldn't play in anyway(not saying they can't have events, just that some are off-limits). Club Championship is the only event where you play your own ball and record your own score. Which, outside of a Ryder-Cup style match play event event, is how I like to compete.
Overall on the grand scheme of things, it's not something I would make a final decision based upon, just something on a list of things to think about. This considered a golfer's club, particularly in comparison to the otehr private clubs in the area, however
I understand the need to generate revenues, and the club is good about 2 things: the entry into these things counts towards your yearly minimum, and the outside drink and hits are almost 100% on weekdays. There are one or two, but they're not big to dos either.
I don't mind the crossovers as much, but the shotguns really force people into one or the other. And while over the course of the season they don't seem like much, 5 of the days come within 4 weeks of each other. I especially disliked the holiday one. People probably aren't going away when the holiday falls in the middle of the week, but they can't play their own course if they don't play in this event?
Overall I am looking for easy access to a driving range, practice facilty, and relative easy access to the golf course, and for the most part the club has delivered there. I've gotten to know a few low handicappers and as my game returns to its previous level, I am certain I will be able to play with them more often. Like I said, it is more likely than not that I sign on long term. Just wanted to get some others' perspectives on this stuff.
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Ask the pro if your club has any reciprocal arrangements with other area clubs that you could play while the tournaments are being held at yours. When mine is tied up for 3 days for the men's member guest, a bunch of us go to play the other club. Only costs us $20 for a cart fee.
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The number of member events varies per club. Some clubs like member events because it not only helps members interact socially, it provides added revenue to the club. Food is costly, so are prizes.
How many tournaments has much to do with the clubs culture and how many members like competing. Over 30% of my last clubs members were single digit and liked to compete. Even the woman's club was highly competitive by comparison. We had many more organized events they you've posted. Events on Tues, Wed mens club, Thurs womens day, then sat and couples events on Sunday.
My last club has two-three organized golf events per week... but only two required additional costs to participate. Saturday mornings men's game cost $10-20; but joining the game was optional, and team golf cost extra. Some guys played on 3 different teams too. Our club Championships (both men & women) were multi-day events costing around 175-250 and the course was closed to non-participating members. We also we had a member/guest event that cost over $1000 per 2 man team, that was a 4 day event where the course was closed to any non-participating members.
I can't count the number of times where I was relegated to play after the shotgun finished, so I would play elsewhere that day. Which brings me to the typical reasons for joining a private club; which has little to do with how many seasons of play exist. Both my wife and I love socializing as much as the golf.
If you feel that number of events is a bit much maybe you should ask yourself if you're a joiner and what you're expecting from the experience. Private club membership isn't for everyone; in fact its a lifestyle for most members.
I have a question about "member/guests." From what I have read, they are big deals at many clubs and at $1,000 per group they better be. What exactly do they normally entail?
I cannot imagine convincing any of my friends to spend $500 and four straight days playing golf at a local club. For that kind of money and two days away from the office, we would likely road trip to a resort.
BTW - The club I am joining typically has some sort of matches every Saturday or Sunday; however, they are set up more like a league and shotguns are rare. As a result, non-participating members and participating players have access to the course. Furthermore, they start about 9am which allows members who want to play early a chance to get out before the tournament starts. For the club championships, they do get the entire course for the morning but afternoon rounds are allowed.
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I have a question about "member/guests." From what I have read, they are big deals at many clubs and at $1,000 per group they better be. What exactly do they normally entail?
I cannot imagine convincing any of my friends to spend $500 and four straight days playing golf at a local club. For that kind of money and two days away from the office, we would likely road trip to a resort.
Mine is a 3-day event, for which I believe they charge around $800 per 2-man team. Thursday is a practice round with a "cocktail party" at night. Friday is 3 nine-hole matches. Saturday is 2 nine-hole matches with a huge (I mean more food than I've seen in my life) dinner party with a live band at night. The fee includes all you can eat and drink for the 3 days, all guest/cart fees, etc. There's all sorts of gambling, putting contests, etc. Everyone gets a "gift" that can be a pair of shoes, a wedge, etc.
I'd actually like to play in it once for the experience, but I don't have anyone that's a good candidate to bring. My close friends aren't that into golf or competitive enough to really enjoy it. The couple of serious golfers I know who aren't members of my club, I don't know well enough to socialize with them for 3 days and nights straight, and many can't commit to a 3-day event.
Most of the guys who play in our event have been doing it for a long time and tend to bring the same guests year after year.
I also don't like the sandbagging that many members seem to do in the month leading up to the tournament.
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I have a question about "member/guests." From what I have read, they are big deals at many clubs and at $1,000 per group they better be. What exactly do they normally entail?
I cannot imagine convincing any of my friends to spend $500 and four straight days playing golf at a local club. For that kind of money and two days away from the office, we would likely road trip to a resort.
Mine is a 3-day event, for which I believe they charge around $800 per 2-man team. Thursday is a practice round with a "cocktail party" at night. Friday is 3 nine-hole matches. Saturday is 2 nine-hole matches with a huge (I mean more food than I've seen in my life) dinner party with a live band at night. The fee includes all you can eat and drink for the 3 days, all guest/cart fees, etc. There's all sorts of gambling, putting contests, etc. Everyone gets a "gift" that can be a pair of shoes, a wedge, etc.
I'd actually like to play in it once for the experience, but I don't have anyone that's a good candidate to bring. My close friends aren't that into golf or competitive enough to really enjoy it. The couple of serious golfers I know who aren't members of my club, I don't know well enough to socialize with them for 3 days and nights straight, and many can't commit to a 3-day event.
Most of the guys who play in our event have been doing it for a long time and tend to bring the same guests year after year.
I also don't like the sandbagging that many members seem to do in the month leading up to the tournament.
Our member guest normally is sponsored by a major company who has their tour van show up and everyone who is in the tourny gets $175 credit to spend... on balls, clothes, clubs, bags.
Similar format to the above tournament.
So much food, and they pig out. We provide all you can eat tenderloin, lamb chops, plus a whole buffet of finger food for the dinners and all kinds of sandwiches for lunch.
There is a pretty nice purse for winning the tournament. There is a prize for closest to the pin on par 3's and the winner gets a weekend getaway to a location including 2 round trip plane tickets and a hotel for 4 days. If someone gets a whole in one they win $50,000.
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I have a question about "member/guests." From what I have read, they are big deals at many clubs and at $1,000 per group they better be. What exactly do they normally entail?
I cannot imagine convincing any of my friends to spend $500 and four straight days playing golf at a local club. For that kind of money and two days away from the office, we would likely road trip to a resort.
Mine is a 3-day event, for which I believe they charge around $800 per 2-man team. Thursday is a practice round with a "cocktail party" at night. Friday is 3 nine-hole matches. Saturday is 2 nine-hole matches with a huge (I mean more food than I've seen in my life) dinner party with a live band at night. The fee includes all you can eat and drink for the 3 days, all guest/cart fees, etc. There's all sorts of gambling, putting contests, etc. Everyone gets a "gift" that can be a pair of shoes, a wedge, etc.
I'd actually like to play in it once for the experience, but I don't have anyone that's a good candidate to bring. My close friends aren't that into golf or competitive enough to really enjoy it. The couple of serious golfers I know who aren't members of my club, I don't know well enough to socialize with them for 3 days and nights straight, and many can't commit to a 3-day event.
Most of the guys who play in our event have been doing it for a long time and tend to bring the same guests year after year.
I also don't like the sandbagging that many members seem to do in the month leading up to the tournament.
Our member guest normally is sponsored by a major company who has their tour van show up and everyone who is in the tourny gets $175 credit to spend... on balls, clothes, clubs, bags.
Similar format to the above tournament.
So much food, and they pig out. We provide all you can eat tenderloin, lamb chops, plus a whole buffet of finger food for the dinners and all kinds of sandwiches for lunch.
There is a pretty nice purse for winning the tournament. There is a prize for closest to the pin on par 3's and the winner gets a weekend getaway to a location including 2 round trip plane tickets and a hotel for 4 days. If someone gets a whole in one they win $50,000.
That sounds great. You wouldn't happen to need a guest would you? just joking.
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I have a question about "member/guests." From what I have read, they are big deals at many clubs and at $1,000 per group they better be. What exactly do they normally entail?
I cannot imagine convincing any of my friends to spend $500 and four straight days playing golf at a local club. For that kind of money and two days away from the office, we would likely road trip to a resort.
Mine is a 3-day event, for which I believe they charge around $800 per 2-man team. Thursday is a practice round with a "cocktail party" at night. Friday is 3 nine-hole matches. Saturday is 2 nine-hole matches with a huge (I mean more food than I've seen in my life) dinner party with a live band at night. The fee includes all you can eat and drink for the 3 days, all guest/cart fees, etc. There's all sorts of gambling, putting contests, etc. Everyone gets a "gift" that can be a pair of shoes, a wedge, etc.
I'd actually like to play in it once for the experience, but I don't have anyone that's a good candidate to bring. My close friends aren't that into golf or competitive enough to really enjoy it. The couple of serious golfers I know who aren't members of my club, I don't know well enough to socialize with them for 3 days and nights straight, and many can't commit to a 3-day event.
Most of the guys who play in our event have been doing it for a long time and tend to bring the same guests year after year.
I also don't like the sandbagging that many members seem to do in the month leading up to the tournament.
Our member guest normally is sponsored by a major company who has their tour van show up and everyone who is in the tourny gets $175 credit to spend... on balls, clothes, clubs, bags.
Similar format to the above tournament.
So much food, and they pig out. We provide all you can eat tenderloin, lamb chops, plus a whole buffet of finger food for the dinners and all kinds of sandwiches for lunch.
There is a pretty nice purse for winning the tournament. There is a prize for closest to the pin on par 3's and the winner gets a weekend getaway to a location including 2 round trip plane tickets and a hotel for 4 days. If someone gets a whole in one they win $50,000.
That sounds great. You wouldn't happen to need a guest would you? just joking.
Well we don't have an employee/guest tournament or I'd bring you along! We do have a employee/member in the off season.
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The Mens Golf Association at our club has one of these tournaments monthly. They run between $50 and $100 each and you win pro shop credit. You can win points in each event to qualify for the club "ryder cup" at the end of the year. Pretty neat deal, but I do agree, it seems odd to have to pay to play at your own club. I guess I figure im going to spend money in the proshop anyway, may as well get a tournament and some competition with the money instead and hope to win some credit, and work it out that way. There are also some womens golf association events, as well as the annual club championship, and the member-guest. That all being said, we have 36 holes at my club, so even with events going on, theres usually always an open course for everyone to play.