how waterproof are golf shoes supposed to be?

so i picked up a pair of FJ icons a few weeks back. I played yesterday in them for the first time, and it also happened to be in torrential downpours. i was wearing a full rain suit- and my socks up top and at the heel stayed dry. when i took off the shoe howver, the front part of both feet were damp/wet- not soaked, but the grey socks were def. darker!
i'm not sure if the water dropped down through the laces, or if it came up from the bottom- but theoretically the shoes were not waterproof.
the question is- when a manuf. says they're waterproof- do they simply mean from the bottom up...or do they mean, when i take my foot out, it should be dry!?!?
trying to think whether or not to use the warranty, of if my 'vision' of waterproofness is too much!
(keep in mind that it rained the entire 18 holes- so much so that the fairways at times had large standing water that came up to about half of the shoes- but not enough to reach the laces.
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I'd like to know too, when I get golf shoes I make sure the tong is leather so there is a good seal around that area.
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I have couple pairs of Footjoy Contours and Nike Air Rejuvenates, both claim to be waterproof and have lived up to their claims. One of my pairs of Footjoys is going into it's third year and still waterproof.
When I finish a round in the wet, my feet are completely dry. I've played a couple rounds this year when the fairways were saturated and stayed dry all day.
Pro tip: wear poly propylene socks and avoid cotton.
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are we talking light drizzle??
i'm sure they'd hold up fine under normal conditions, but yesterday was essentially monsoon (i played in hong kong)....i'm hoping i'm right cause i don't feel like dealing with an international warranty replacement (more money shipping back and forth etc)
i've emailed both US and HKG footjoy to see what can be done, but based off of my experiences with international warranty replacements, it's pretty hard to do (i assume it's got something to do with revenue/subsidiary etc)
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I know that my Ecco World Class are completely waterproof and completely gortex. Been in the pouring rain and ever gotten wet.
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A lot of "waterproof" items also don't breathe...the mositure vapor from your skin can't escape, and collects on the inside.
Foot sweat....
Don't know if FJ uses Gore-Tex or not, but the shoes that do usually don't give you wet feet, unless you sweat a LOT.
No shoe is waterproof like the old Dexter DrySports...any other "old timers" remember the commercials where the guy walks to the bottom of the lake to hit his ball?
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so i picked up a pair of FJ icons a few weeks back. I played yesterday in them for the first time, and it also happened to be in torrential downpours. i was wearing a full rain suit- and my socks up top and at the heel stayed dry. when i took off the shoe howver, the front part of both feet were damp/wet- not soaked, but the grey socks were def. darker!
i'm not sure if the water dropped down through the laces, or if it came up from the bottom- but theoretically the shoes were not waterproof.
the question is- when a manuf. says they're waterproof- do they simply mean from the bottom up...or do they mean, when i take my foot out, it should be dry!?!?
trying to think whether or not to use the warranty, of if my 'vision' of waterproofness is too much!
( keep in mind that it rained the entire 18 holes- so much so that the fairways at times had large standing water that came up to about half of the shoes- but not enough to reach the laces.
are we talking light drizzle??
i'm sure they'd hold up fine under normal conditions, but yesterday was essentially monsoon (i played in hong kong)....i'm hoping i'm right cause i don't feel like dealing with an international warranty replacement (more money shipping back and forth etc)
i've emailed both US and HKG footjoy to see what can be done, but based off of my experiences with international warranty replacements, it's pretty hard to do (i assume it's got something to do with revenue/subsidiary etc)
It says it's waterproof for 2 years under NORMAL conditions. I don't think a monsoon is normal conditions. If your shoes are constantly wet under such conditions, your shoes, especially the Icon type, all leather with regular stitching - it will soak through.
Good luck on your trying to get it replaced. Let us know how it goes. But I think you just put your foot in it (haha) by letting the whole world know that it was torrential downpour of the monsoon kind.
Now, if you were to compare this shoes to another one, say, the new ASICS which is supposed to be OK in an inch of water for 4 hours straight, you might have had something.
Good luck either way.
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i'm not looking to get something for nothing- the reason i described it as such while asking for opinions is because i'd like to see wehther or not my thoughts of "waterproof" are justified or not.
what does one define as normal? the course didn't close, ppl were still playing...and although i said monsoon- what i meant was that it was heavy rains.
if indeed the shoe isn't supposed to be waterproof in those conditions, then fine- i'll deal with it. but if it is, then i hope they warranty it....since it was advertised as waterproof.
i will say also- if i play in the early AM when the dew is on a spring/summer day, and it does seep through, i'd def. have an issue...though i haven't played in that condition with these shoes just yet.
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i'm not looking to get something for nothing- the reason i described it as such while asking for opinions is because i'd like to see wehther or not my thoughts of "waterproof" are justified or not.
what does one define as normal? the course didn't close, ppl were still playing...and although i said monsoon- what i meant was that it was heavy rains.
if indeed the shoe isn't supposed to be waterproof in those conditions, then fine- i'll deal with it. but if it is, then i hope they warranty it....since it was advertised as waterproof.
i will say also- if i play in the early AM when the dew is on a spring/summer day, and it does seep through, i'd def. have an issue...though i haven't played in that condition with these shoes just yet.
You can't change your story now, can you?
" keep in mind that it rained the entire 18 holes- so much so that the fairways at times had large standing water that came up to about half of the shoes- but not enough to reach the laces."
NOT NORMAL.
That is what one might call "Water logged." If the water covered your shoes HALF-WAY up your shoes more often than not throughout the round - that's SOAKING. SATURATION.
Not normal.
You might as well have been wearing these kinds of boots:
know what I mean? Compare that to your shoes. NO comparison.
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My guess is that there's nothing wrong with the shoes.
A couple of things are probably happening. Water is coming up over the edges of the shoes by your ankles, and probably through the edges of the tongue. Maybe even wicking along your laces. This likely happens any time your rain pants aren't totally covering the top edge of the shoe or that splashes or wet grass reaches the inside of your cuff. If your socks get wet, gravity is going to bring that water into your shoes. It's a simple theory: if you have a 4 inch tall shoe and step in a 5 inch deep puddle, your feet will get wet.
The other thing is that the leather of the shoes has become saturated. While this probably isn't causing water to enter the shoe, it's blocking the breathable membrane from being able to move water vapor out of your shoe. So as you're walking and sweating, that moisture you body naturally gives off isn't able to evaporate, instead, it's condensing inside of your shoe. This vapor can move through dry leather, wet leather becomes more airtight. A disadvantage of waterproof shoe is that they keep water from moving into the shoe and they keep it from moving out too. Once it's wet, it'll stay wet.
Extremely wet golf is similar to hiking in heavy rain. People who do that regularly often avoid GoreTex boots and instead go with a mesh boot simply because their feet will get wet in either, but they dry out a lot quicker with the mesh.
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ive had two pairs of footjoys in the past, and played in conditions like you described, sometimes standing in inch deep puddles. my feet stayed 100% dry.
waterproof= foot does not get wet. if your toes are wet, its leaking. if the top of your foot or ankle is wet, then i can see it being your own fault and not the shoes.
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waterproof= foot does not get wet.
Unfortunately, "waterproof" most definitely does not = foot does not get wet. I coached alpine ski racers for years wearing hard plastic boots that were absolutely waterproof. Yet at the end of the day my socks and boot liners would always be wet. This was because the plastic boots were entirely non-breathable, if you can't move out the moisture your body creates you're not going to stay dry. A simple example is to wear a urethane lined, unvented raincoat and go for a brisk jog on a hot day - your shirt will be wet by the time you're done.
"Waterproof/Breathable" equals feet stay dry...if it's not breathable, you won't stay dry.
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 I wear Ecco Classic GTX waterproof shoes.  I've worn these shoes in heavy rain, even walked in serious water and my feet have never been wet.  We get what ya pay for.
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 I wear Ecco Classic GTX waterproof shoes.  I've worn these shoes in heavy rain, even walked in serious water and my feet have never been wet.  We get what ya pay for.
well fj icons are like 265 usd (more then the eccos). so what did he get exactly?
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 For years I wore Footjoy Classic Dry Premiere because ECCO's were not easily available like today.  Spent a lot of money and still had wet feet now and again.  Just because something costs more doesn't necessary mean its the best quality. We still have to use judgment when determining if we're getting what we pay for. 
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My Contours have gone through 2 rugged golf seasons and waterproof means waterproof with mine. I've never worn them in water halfway up the shoe for 18 holes, but I've walked an entire course in daylong rain, extremely soggy conditions (tournament viewing) at least 4 times and worn them in rain to play several times and no issues.
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For years I wore Footjoy Classic Dry Premiere because ECCO's were not easily available like today. Spent a lot of money and still had wet feet now and again. Just because something costs more doesn't necessary mean its the best quality. We still have to use judgment when determining if we're getting what we pay for.
If you are suggesting that the O.P. should have used better judgement, I'd suggest that you suggest something else.
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so i have a bunch of ppl telling me that they're leaking (the front part of my foot is wet, not the heel/back)- i've worn golf shoes before in dry weather and my feet weren't wet- thereby throwing my soggy/sweaty foot theory.
i have one guy telling me i'm a dumbass for thinking i'm playing in 'normal conditions'.
soo...guess i'll be contacting footjoy.
oh- and yes, you get what you pay for?!? can you throw more cliches in this thread for good measure... *sigh*
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My Contours have gone through 2 rugged golf seasons and waterproof means waterproof with mine. I've never worn them in water halfway up the shoe for 18 holes, but I've walked an entire course in daylong rain, extremely soggy conditions (tournament viewing) at least 4 times and worn them in rain to play several times and no issues.
one of my pairs is an FJ contour. those things are impermeable. 3 years old, been in atrocious conditions on 3 different continents and waterproof = completely dry foot. for over 100 usd less than the icons, ill take em. i can only hope my new eccos perform the same way.
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so i have a bunch of ppl telling me that they're leaking (the front part of my foot is wet, not the heel/back)- i've worn golf shoes before in dry weather and my feet weren't wet- thereby throwing my soggy/sweaty foot theory.
i have one guy telling me i'm a dumbass for thinking i'm playing in 'normal conditions'.
soo...guess i'll be contacting footjoy.
oh- and yes, you get what you pay for?!? can you throw more cliches in this thread for good measure... *sigh*
I never called you dumb. That's your complex. I was telling you as I see it. I apologize if I made you feel dumb, but I never called you that. I was trying to let you know how it sounded, the way you described the day in question.
You described the toes being wet from water coming in at the toes:
" and it also happened to be in torrential downpours. i was wearing a full rain suit- and my socks up top and at the heel stayed dry. when i took off the shoe however, the front part of both feet were damp/wet- not soaked, but the grey socks were def. darker!"
That's what you said. So many things you said indicated to me that there was a real chance that your kind of shoe with the leather-bound, stitched edging type shoe, is not going to hold up in such "torrential downpours," in which you were wearing a full rain suit and there were puddles of standing water all over the course, and you were out there for 4 hours or more getting rained on, which could've meant that there was not full on leakage per se, but a good soaking of the shoe that helped permeate the wetness into the toe area to make them damp.
Or may be not. May be it was your sweat. May be you have sweaty toes. We all have sweaty toes. Ever thought about how they feel in the heat of the summer? Mine are always wet and that's why they stink LOL
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so i picked up a pair of FJ icons a few weeks back. I played yesterday in them for the first time, and it also happened to be in torrential downpours. i was wearing a full rain suit- and my socks up top and at the heel stayed dry. when i took off the shoe howver, the front part of both feet were damp/wet- not soaked, but the grey socks were def. darker!
i'm not sure if the water dropped down through the laces, or if it came up from the bottom- but theoretically the shoes were not waterproof.
the question is- when a manuf. says they're waterproof- do they simply mean from the bottom up...or do they mean, when i take my foot out, it should be dry!?!?
trying to think whether or not to use the warranty, of if my 'vision' of waterproofness is too much!
(keep in mind that it rained the entire 18 holes- so much so that the fairways at times had large standing water that came up to about half of the shoes- but not enough to reach the laces.
what kinda of footjoys????
anything with one year warranty are garbage.
(no offense.... just had bad experiences with 1 year waterproof shoes....my first addidas runner golf shoe that claimed to be one year waterproof leaked like a sieve)
I've gone thru numerous pairs. Anything that gives you a one year warranty are not worth the money unless your planning to use them on dry days only. For waterproof you need a shoe with min 2 year water proof warranty. And some Eccos even have a 3 year warranty.
I've played torrential down pours and had dry feet and all those days were usually with a shoe that had a 2 year warranty. (well maybe a bit clamy but that's from sweaty feet rather than water gettting in the shoe)
But if your not sure it leaked, i'd play it for a couple more months and see if they really leak or you just got sweaty feet. Most manufacturers have a min one year warranty which are pretty good at honoring.
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For years I wore Footjoy Classic Dry Premiere because ECCO's were not easily available like today.  Spent a lot of money and still had wet feet now and again.  Just because something costs more doesn't necessary mean its the best quality. We still have to use judgment when determining if we're getting what we pay for.
If you are suggesting that the O.P. should have used better judgement, I'd suggest that you suggest something else.
You got me there sawgrass.  All that comes to mind is any given day can be the beginning of something, including better judgment.  
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i'm not looking to get something for nothing- the reason i described it as such while asking for opinions is because i'd like to see wehther or not my thoughts of "waterproof" are justified or not.
what does one define as normal? the course didn't close, ppl were still playing...and although i said monsoon- what i meant was that it was heavy rains.
if indeed the shoe isn't supposed to be waterproof in those conditions, then fine- i'll deal with it. but if it is, then i hope they warranty it....since it was advertised as waterproof.
i will say also- if i play in the early AM when the dew is on a spring/summer day, and it does seep through, i'd def. have an issue...though i haven't played in that condition with these shoes just yet.
You can't change your story now, can you?
" keep in mind that it rained the entire 18 holes- so much so that the fairways at times had large standing water that came up to about half of the shoes- but not enough to reach the laces."
NOT NORMAL.
That is what one might call "Water logged." If the water covered your shoes HALF-WAY up your shoes more often than not throughout the round - that's SOAKING. SATURATION.
Not normal.
You might as well have been wearing these kinds of boots:
know what I mean? Compare that to your shoes. NO comparison.
WTH are those? I want some! Feel like I've been playing in quicksand all winter here in TX.