Golf in Richmond, VA?

I may be relocating with my family to the Richmond area and would appreciate some first hand insight on the quality of golf there. What are the top courses (public and private), how many good courses are there, what are avg greens fees, etc...
A good quality of life including golf is very important to me. I currently live in the southern New Jersey/Philadelphia area and belong to a private golf club.
Any/all opinions welcome! Thanks!
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45 min from Richmond on the way to Williamsburg is Royal New Kent. Played there in July a couple of years ago while staying in Richmond. RNK is an incridible place to play.
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kinloch
ccv
hermitage
federal club
dominion club
foundry
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I may be relocating with my family to the Richmond area and would appreciate some first hand insight on the quality of golf there. What are the top courses (public and private), how many good courses are there, what are avg greens fees, etc...
A good quality of life including golf is very important to me. I currently live in the southern New Jersey/Philadelphia area and belong to a private golf club.
Any/all opinions welcome! Thanks!
I believe all the courses Title mentioned are Private and some very good ones at that, especially Kinloch. I haven't played it, but it has an outstanding reputation.
As for Daily fee courses, there are a lot of good ones within an hour of Richmond so it all depends on where you end up living.
Mattaponi Springs is probably the best public non resort course in the STATE. it is just phenomnal, you could join there as a member and feel like you belong to a country club, they have an excellent but small restaurant, fantastic practice area, even have a small meeting center with a couple bungalows that accomodate 10 to 12 I think. But more than anything the condition and layout of the course is just fabulous. If I lived in the area, it would be a course I could play everyday and not get tired of it.
Other good choices that I know of are Hunting Hawk in the westend area, Independece Golf Club on the southend a fantastic Tom Fazio design I belive. Also a realatively new course I think is Spring Creek or something like that, between Richmond and Charlottsvile. Again Haven't played it but it is getting rave reviews. As someone else mentioned you've got Williamasburg about an hour away and well you can do fill your golf jones with their choices.
Royal New Kent
Golden Horseshoe (gold course a top 100 us course)
Kingsmill
Brickshire and others.
I know the south Jersey Philly area is a golf mecca, but I don't think you will be disappointed in Richmond area and the weather will almost always be at least 15 degrees warmer or more.
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Spring Creek for sure hour west of Richmond.
Be aware of the old boy club. Too many clubs overpriced and shabby courses. I believe there are far better kept and conditioned courses that are not private.
Mattaponi
Independance
Many other great courses within a hour in all directions!
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Thanks guys!! Anyone live in the Richmond area who can comment on golf and other aspects of living there? I know very little about it at this point. Will be traveling there in a couple of weeks.
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swing hard, look up
have fun!
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I went to U of R, my sis did, too (and stayed in Richmond), and I live in the Philly area as well. Also, one of my best friends who is also still in Richmond was an assistant pro at a few different places in or around Richmond, so he knows the scoop on all of the clubs.
Some of private clubs are VERY exclusive, or VERY expensive (I think Kinloch -- or one of those -- has to be your second club, and has an outrageous initiation fee), or both. Both aspects can be a turn off (or are exactly what some are looking for).
There are also some much more family-oriented clubs, like Richmond Country Club.
What club do you belong to up here? (Drop me a PM if you don't wish to say here.)
Let me know if I can help.
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I live an hour from Richmond. I've visited, golfed, shopped, played music and done business in Richmond for 25 years. In a way, I think my observations may be more objective than those of a resident.
I love Richmond, but I am pretty selective in interfacing with Richmond.
There are many different sections of Richmond and by different - I mean *vastly* different in culture, mindset etc. There is a very, very, conservative, old money country club crowd in Richmond - among the most snobby, unfriendly, and exclusive (in the sense of excluding outsiders) bunch you will ever encounter. You'll find these folk in abundance at CCR and Hermitage.
The old west end of Richmond near the James River and University of Richmond is the epicenter for this crowd - specifically the intersection of Grove and Libbie to the River Road Shopping Center.
Carytown, is a very cool shopping/entertainment area that basically bridges the old money West End and The Fan District, which is a totally mixed and recently gentrifying area around Virginia Commonwealth University. The Fan is full of funky neighborhood restaurant/bars (there is pretty much no such thing as a bar in Virginia due to ABC laws) among the townhouses.
Downtown Richmond is full of Civil War history, including the Canal Walk on the James, which is definitely worth checking out (in broad daylight, only). Shockoe Slip and Shockoe Bottom is a checkerboard of trendy shops and restaurants with some still sketchy blocks. Have fun, but, as in the Fan, pay attention. They are debating building a state of the art AAA ballpark/retail complex in this area.
Immediately north of Broad Street, including the area around the decrepit Richmond Coliseum, is a good area to avoid.
The far west end is yuppieville to the max, similar to any other sunbelt town, with sprawling shopping centers, housing developments and little of cultural value. This area includes Hunting Hawk, the Dominion Club, and Sycamore Creek, which is a just okay affordable public course. The West End from Parham Road west is a mostly very clean, modern and convenient place to shop and get things done.
There are many terrible sections, as in you just plain don't go there, and some of these sections are worse or barely better than they were 20 years ago. On the other hand, some areas like the Fan and Church Hill are seeing a a great, if uneven renaissance.
In addition to north of Broad Street downtown, you need to avoid east of downtown like the plague. The entire area from downtown to the airport, including East Laburnam, Highland Springs, and Sandston is greasy at best, dangerous at worst. Glenwood Golf Course has an anchor fence and barbed wire around it to minimize incidents of golfers getting robbed - yes, it happens.
Likewise, south of the River from downtown, the Jeff Davis Highway Area and Semmes avenue is very bad - you just don't go there. A bit further west, there is a nice area just south of the River: Forest Hills, including Willow Oaks Country Club. As you get much further west, Midlothian Turnpike mirrors the far West End as the somewhat more redneck version of yuppieville.
Chesterfield County to the south and Hanover County, including Mechanicsville, to the north are what my Richmond friends refer to as "whiteyville." Nascar, Phillip Morris and the confederate flag are the holy trinity.
As far as golf goes, I think Richmond is great if you are wealthy, and pretty poor if you are not. I don't know if any of the country clubs are hurting and, therefore, offering deals, but the public offerings that are not a considerable drive are pretty limited and pretty weak, with only Hunting Hawk and Independence what you would consider really good courses - and if you live in the Far West end, Independence is a half hour drive.
I'm spoiled, because my course is seven minutes from my desk, but I'd rather play a lot of nearby, affordable golf than brag about the great course I play once or twice a week in season.
If I've offended any Richmond area natives on the board - tough, because my Richmond friends would sign off on 100% of what I've written.
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I lived in Richmond for many years, and would concur with most of the above. One decent public course left out of the postings is the Crossings, which is north of the city, near 295 and 301. It has a decent layout and is usually in good condition. Hermitage Country club is packed; tee times are hard to come by. The Domioin club has a Nationwide event, the Henrico Open played on it. Dominion or Salisbury, on the south side, would be my choice of clubs to join. CCV has very good courses, but $$$. I haven't played Kinlock, or The Foundry. Willow Oaks tends to flood in the spring, Stonehenge is okay, RNK is very good, and Williamsburg has many other good options.
I would also add that I played for many years at Glenwood, a decent smaller course, and belonged to the men's association, and enjoyed a lot of good times, but there really is a chain link fence around the place! I've detailed some of the more interesting experiences at GGC in other posts.
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I lived in Richmond for many years, and would concur with most of the above. One decent public course left out of the postings is the Crossings, Willow Oaks tends to flood in the spring,
I would also add that I played for many years at Glenwood, a decent smaller course, and belonged to the men's association, and enjoyed a lot of good times, but there really is a chain link fence around the place! I've detailed some of the more interesting experiences at GGC in other posts.
The Crossings is a pretty good layout, but the conditions have been wildly up and down there recently. They completely, totally redid Willow Oaks, and, I think took care of drainage, but it's not cheap, either.
Yes, Glenwood is a fun little track, but take a wrong turn, like I did one evening, on the way back to 1-64, and you won't forget it.
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I live an hour from Richmond. I've visited, golfed, shopped, played music and done business in Richmond for 25 years. In a way, I think my observations may be more objective than those of a resident.
I love Richmond, but I am pretty selective in interfacing with Richmond.
There are many different sections of Richmond and by different - I mean *vastly* different in culture, mindset etc. There is a very, very, conservative, old money country club crowd in Richmond - among the most snobby, unfriendly, and exclusive (in the sense of excluding outsiders) bunch you will ever encounter. You'll find these folk in abundance at CCR and Hermitage.
The old west end of Richmond near the James River and University of Richmond is the epicenter for this crowd - specifically the intersection of Grove and Libbie to the River Road Shopping Center.
Carytown, is a very cool shopping/entertainment area that basically bridges the old money West End and The Fan District, which is a totally mixed and recently gentrifying area around Virginia Commonwealth University. The Fan is full of funky neighborhood restaurant/bars (there is pretty much no such thing as a bar in Virginia due to ABC laws) among the townhouses.
Downtown Richmond is full of Civil War history, including the Canal Walk on the James, which is definitely worth checking out (in broad daylight, only). Shockoe Slip and Shockoe Bottom is a checkerboard of trendy shops and restaurants with some still sketchy blocks. Have fun, but, as in the Fan, pay attention. They are debating building a state of the art AAA ballpark/retail complex in this area.
Immediately north of Broad Street, including the area around the decrepit Richmond Coliseum, is a good area to avoid.
The far west end is yuppieville to the max, similar to any other sunbelt town, with sprawling shopping centers, housing developments and little of cultural value. This area includes Hunting Hawk, the Dominion Club, and Sycamore Creek, which is a just okay affordable public course. The West End from Parham Road west is a mostly very clean, modern and convenient place to shop and get things done.
There are many terrible sections, as in you just plain don't go there, and some of these sections are worse or barely better than they were 20 years ago. On the other hand, some areas like the Fan and Church Hill are seeing a a great, if uneven renaissance.
In addition to north of Broad Street downtown, you need to avoid east of downtown like the plague. The entire area from downtown to the airport, including East Laburnam, Highland Springs, and Sandston is greasy at best, dangerous at worst. Glenwood Golf Course has an anchor fence and barbed wire around it to minimize incidents of golfers getting robbed - yes, it happens.
Likewise, south of the River from downtown, the Jeff Davis Highway Area and Semmes avenue is very bad - you just don't go there. A bit further west, there is a nice area just south of the River: Forest Hills, including Willow Oaks Country Club. As you get much further west, Midlothian Turnpike mirrors the far West End as the somewhat more redneck version of yuppieville.
Chesterfield County to the south and Hanover County, including Mechanicsville, to the north are what my Richmond friends refer to as "whiteyville." Nascar, Phillip Morris and the confederate flag are the holy trinity.
As far as golf goes, I think Richmond is great if you are wealthy, and pretty poor if you are not. I don't know if any of the country clubs are hurting and, therefore, offering deals, but the public offerings that are not a considerable drive are pretty limited and pretty weak, with only Hunting Hawk and Independence what you would consider really good courses - and if you live in the Far West end, Independence is a half hour drive.
I'm spoiled, because my course is seven minutes from my desk, but I'd rather play a lot of nearby, affordable golf than brag about the great course I play once or twice a week in season.
If I've offended any Richmond area natives on the board - tough, because my Richmond friends would sign off on 100% of what I've written.
Thanks so much for your insights!! BTW, what are the ABC laws?
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Sideways,
I did make that mistake once, and I know what you mean! Charming neighborhood.
Also, River's Bend is a good public course. 16 and 17 are dinky, but the other holes are a test.
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I don't think you will find a better deal than this anywhere:
For $156/month (no initiation, assessments, or dining minimums...just $156/month) you get to play four courses:
The Crossings: An "old" track. Wooded, traditional, crowded and over played. Still a good layout. This is in Glen Allen just North of the City. I play a lot of after-work rounds here on weeknights.
Kiskiack: A very nice track. A nice blend of short holes with undulating greens and doglegs and a couple of longer holes with flatter greens. Very well laid out. This is in Croaker/Norge much closer to Williamsburg than Richmond. About 45-min to a hour drive East of the City.
Stonehouse: A serious track. Pretty tough. Has a couple of holes on the back that ruin it for me, but 16 very good holes anyway. This is a FULL SIZED golf course...some holes cover so much acreage that they seem much longer than they actually are. Exit 227 off of I64 east. A couple of exit closer to Richmond than Kiskiack.
And finally the Crown Jewel: ROYAL NEW KENT!!! This place is a MASTERPIECE. There are actually a couple of posts on this board if you search for them. I have played this place at least 60 times and I never get tired of it. I think Golf Digest still has it ranked as the 16th most difficult public course in the USA! This beauty is about 30-40 minutes East of the city very near Colonial Down (a horse track & wagering establishment).
You get all of this for $156/month plus cart fees ($16-$18).
The deal works out well for me because I live about 30-minutes East of the City (in New Kent actually). So I am much closer to the courses East of the City.
All of these clubs are open to the public. I think RNK and Stonehouse's summer "rack-rate" is $90, Kiskiack is in the $70's, and The Crossings is $50-$60.
Also The Brookwoods is a very nice course and one of the best values in golf around Richmond. They are $39 max on weekends and cheaper during the week. The course is always the greenest around and the owners are super nice! Played there this morning actually.
Sorry, but I don't know much about the private clubs around Richmond...and probably never will.
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I live in Richmond, Short Pump to be exact (referred to as the West End), I was born and raised here and like it a lot. All the clubs mentioned are good choices. Public sticking within 20 mins of the city/West End I would go with Hunting Hawk and Independence. Both are in the $40-50 weekday to $60-70 weekend round with carts I believe.
I haven't played either of those in a while, I've been looping some of the private courses I have buddies that work at a couple different private clubs. Hermitage CC, The Dominion Club, Country Club of Va, Richmond CC, Kinloch, and Willow Oaks are the private clubs I would focus on.
Initiation:
Kinloch- +$165K
CCV/RCC- +$55-65K
Hermitage- $45K
Willow Oaks- $35-40K (rough estimate)
The Dominon Club- $17k*
* TDC actually has a new program called the Test Drive, where you sign up to pay the dues for twelve months as a full golf member with no initiation. With in the twelve months you decide if you want to join. If you don't you just walk away.
Kinloch is phenomenal, 22nd best private course in the country back in 2007-08. One of the only clubs in the area with a waiting list (rumor). Its the old style club with a lot of new money.
CCV/RCC one of the clubs you almost have to know someone in the area to get in. Bunch of the members are first families of Virginia, old money. Sometimes has the stigma of pretentious members, still both are great clubs.
Willow Oaks haven't played yet, I have a match to play against some folks and I really want to play it here. Newly renovated, I've heard nothing but amazing things about the conditions and layout. Can't wait to play it!
If you have any questions about the area in general PM me.
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I live in Richmond, Short Pump to be exact (referred to as the West End), I was born and raised here and like it a lot. All the clubs mentioned are good choices. Public sticking within 20 mins of the city/West End I would go with Hunting Hawk and Independence. Both are in the $40-50 weekday to $60-70 weekend round with carts I believe.
I haven't played either of those in a while, I've been looping some of the private courses I have buddies that work at a couple different private clubs. Hermitage CC, The Dominion Club, Country Club of Va, Richmond CC, Kinloch, and Willow Oaks are the private clubs I would focus on.
Initiation:
Kinloch- +$165K
CCV/RCC- +$55-65K
Hermitage- $45K
Willow Oaks- $35-40K (rough estimate)
The Dominon Club- $17k*
* TDC actually has a new program called the Test Drive, where you sign up to pay the dues for twelve months as a full golf member with no initiation. With in the twelve months you decide if you want to join. If you don't you just walk away.
Kinloch is phenomenal, 22nd best private course in the country back in 2007-08. One of the only clubs in the area with a waiting list (rumor). Its the old style club with a lot of new money.
CCV/RCC one of the clubs you almost have to know someone in the area to get in. Bunch of the members are first families of Virginia, old money. Sometimes has the stigma of pretentious members, still both are great clubs.
Willow Oaks haven't played yet, I have a match to play against some folks and I really want to play it here. Newly renovated, I've heard nothing but amazing things about the conditions and layout. Can't wait to play it!
If you have any questions about the area in general PM me.
the initiations are a little off
kinloch is $125,000.00, with a wating list of people to get out, not in. yearly dues are about $15,000.
ccv is $80,000.00
rcc (richmond country club) is $15,000.00, and has the worst course of any mentioned here.
willow oaks is $25,000
also, dont forget about the foundry, which is a mens only golf club with only 250 members located south west of richmond. newly renovated, it will reopen in july.
as far as course rankings go for the above mentioed clubs, here is my opinion
1. kinloch
2. ccv-river course
3. the foundry
3. hermitage - manakin
4. hermitage - sabot
5. ccv- creek
6. dominion
7. willow oaks
8. richmond cc
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I live in Richmond, Short Pump to be exact (referred to as the West End), I was born and raised here and like it a lot. All the clubs mentioned are good choices. Public sticking within 20 mins of the city/West End I would go with Hunting Hawk and Independence. Both are in the $40-50 weekday to $60-70 weekend round with carts I believe.
I haven't played either of those in a while, I've been looping some of the private courses I have buddies that work at a couple different private clubs. Hermitage CC, The Dominion Club, Country Club of Va, Richmond CC, Kinloch, and Willow Oaks are the private clubs I would focus on.
Initiation:
Kinloch- +$165K
CCV/RCC- +$55-65K
Hermitage- $45K
Willow Oaks- $35-40K (rough estimate)
The Dominon Club- $17k*
* TDC actually has a new program called the Test Drive, where you sign up to pay the dues for twelve months as a full golf member with no initiation. With in the twelve months you decide if you want to join. If you don't you just walk away.
Kinloch is phenomenal, 22nd best private course in the country back in 2007-08. One of the only clubs in the area with a waiting list (rumor). Its the old style club with a lot of new money.
CCV/RCC one of the clubs you almost have to know someone in the area to get in. Bunch of the members are first families of Virginia, old money. Sometimes has the stigma of pretentious members, still both are great clubs.
Willow Oaks haven't played yet, I have a match to play against some folks and I really want to play it here. Newly renovated, I've heard nothing but amazing things about the conditions and layout. Can't wait to play it!
If you have any questions about the area in general PM me.
the initiations are a little off
kinloch is $125,000.00, with a wating list of people to get out, not in. yearly dues are about $15,000.
ccv is $80,000.00
rcc (richmond country club) is $15,000.00, and has the worst course of any mentioned here.
willow oaks is $25,000
also, dont forget about the foundry, which is a mens only golf club with only 250 members located south west of richmond. newly renovated, it will reopen in july.
as far as course rankings go for the above mentioed clubs, here is my opinion
1. kinloch
2. ccv-river course
3. the foundry
3. hermitage - manakin
4. hermitage - sabot
5. ccv- creek
6. dominion
7. willow oaks
8. richmond cc
I spent a lot of time in Richmond, and I was going to say if Richmond CC cost over $10,000 initiation, it would be the biggest rip-off in the history of the world. I wouldn't think it was old Richmond families either. I wouldn't say Kinloch is new money either. I'm sure it has some, but of the people I know how belong there also also are at CCV. Kinloch is a great course, but if I were in Richmond, I'd want to join CCV. Three courses, one of whom hosted several US Amateurs. Like other have mentioned, unless you are an old Richmond family or went to boarding school with some members there, I don't know how easy it is to get in.
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Only played Mattaponi and it is a hidden treasure in the Richmond area. As mentioned by others the course was in terrific shape and was awesome. I have played a million courses in VA and I still mention this course to people who talk about nice courses. You will enjoy this place.
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It really depends on where in Richmond you will be living, There are plenty of courses all around, You can look in Hanover Country, southside, chesterfield, I consider it all Richmond, as far as public vs. private, there are some good deals out there either way, one thing you can do either way is get a VSGA card, its something like 65 dollars and then during the weekdays almost full time you can pay cart fees and play a number of courses. Also depends on how much you want to spend at a club private or public, A few of the clubs in the area are offering no initiation fee in this financial climate, unfortunately not Kinloch or the Federal club or the like. I have lived in richmond my whole life played highschool golf all over the area, and have played almost everywhere in the area, including kinloch and the fed, if you have any questions just ask!
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You guys are not giving him a accurate description of Glenwood. It is a safe course. But the reason it is safe is because the drugdealers in the adjacent housing projects keep it safe. They don't want to see the cops in there for any reason.
I have lived in the greater Richmond area for 20 years this year. The strangest thing about Richmond is there is no real transition from good areas to bad areas. One side of a street might be all right but the other side a killing field. No rhyme or reason to this phenominon. Like another poster said, in some areas if you make a wrong turn WATCH OUT!
As far as the golf, what another poster says is correct. Good if you are wealthy, not so if you are not. You have to travel to find value. I live south of the river and usually play Providence. But with the state of the economy, I might get some bargains on some better courses this year. If you can play during the week, then a VSGA card changes everything. Then the golf looks a whole lot better.
I guess I am the only person in this area that does not like the Crossings. I can't put my finger on it. The course does not do anything for me.
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I'm in RVA currently, the two best best deals here are either joining the tradional club(crossings, RNK, Stonhouse, and Kiskiack)
and depending on how far in the city you end up living in 20 mins out is Hanover CC, which was recently renovated and worked on, no initiation fee currently and it's a little over $300 a month for a full family membership.
best two public in short drive range are probably Hunting Hawk and Brookwoods.
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You guys are not giving him a accurate description of Glenwood. It is a safe course. But the reason it is safe is because the drugdealers in the adjacent housing projects keep it safe. They don't want to see the cops in there for any reason.
I have lived in the greater Richmond area for 20 years this year. The strangest thing about Richmond is there is no real transition from good areas to bad areas. One side of a street might be all right but the other side a killing field. No rhyme or reason to this phenominon. Like another poster said, in some areas if you make a wrong turn WATCH OUT!
As far as the golf, what another poster says is correct. Good if you are wealthy, not so if you are not. You have to travel to find value. I live south of the river and usually play Providence. But with the state of the economy, I might get some bargains on some better courses this year. If you can play during the week, then a VSGA card changes everything. Then the golf looks a whole lot better.
I guess I am the only person in this area that does not like the Crossings. I can't put my finger on it. The course does not do anything for me.
I agree that the Crossings is a weak course and varies in quality. However, they are member of the the Traditional group. For a very reasonable monthly fee (~$150 per month) I played unlimited golf and range balls at The Crossings, Royal New Kent, Stonehouse and Kiskiack. Check it out:
Golden Horseshoe, Mattaponi Springs and Spring Creek were the best public courses within an hour of Richmond (obviously IMO).
I would add in the last few times I have been back, Royal New Kent has gone down in condition and quality. Maybe I got unlucky, but the development on the back definitely did not help
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I second hanover, their greens are amazzzing right now, so quick plus the new layout is fun
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It really depends on where in Richmond you will be living, There are plenty of courses all around, You can look in Hanover Country, southside, chesterfield, I consider it all Richmond, as far as public vs. private, there are some good deals out there either way, one thing you can do either way is get a VSGA card, its something like 65 dollars and then during the weekdays almost full time you can pay cart fees and play a number of courses. Also depends on how much you want to spend at a club private or public, A few of the clubs in the area are offering no initiation fee in this financial climate, unfortunately not Kinloch or the Federal club or the like. I have lived in richmond my whole life played highschool golf all over the area, and have played almost everywhere in the area, including kinloch and the fed, if you have any questions just ask!
Thanks. I haven't researched the area yet so I don't know where I'd be interested in living. Some people I've talked to have mentioned the West End (?) as being a nice area for families. Ideally I'd be looking for a nice, upper-middle income, suburban area with good schools for my five year-old daughter, decent restaurants & shopping and at least one Starbucks!! If there are no Starbucks, I can't and won't live there!!!
I am not looking for an ultra-exclusive, ultra-expensive place to play golf. Just a well kept course with reasonable membership dues. I currently belong to a golf-only private club that is 10-15 minutes from my home. It's convenient and accessible (I can go and play whenever I want) and I have friends there. I often shoot over there after work for a quick nine holes of just to hit balls.
Again, thanks to everyone for your insights...always interested in hearing more....
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I hate to bring this news to you, as you are looking forward to moving to Richmond, but if your handle suggests that you are currently in the Colorado Front range and moving to Richmond, I have to say...sorry.
I lived in Boulder/Denver for 12 years, and 2.5 years ago moved to Richmond to be closer to my in-laws, since we had a child. We lasted 1 year, 3 months, and I switched jobs twice in that time just to make sure it wasn't my job that I didn't take to. There's a lot of differences. Lets just start with the golf:
1. There is only 1 real "muni" - Belmont. Twenty-something bucks, owned by the city, close by. The good news it that is a Tillinghast course, it hosted a PGA tourney (in 1949). What we take for granted in Denver with City Park, Kennedy, Wellshire, Willis Case, Overland etc etc, there is ONE in Richmond. Everything else is either a private club or a $50 and up suburban course more than 30 mins away. There's not a real selection of $30-$40 courses like Coal Creek, Indian Peaks, Thorncreek, etc.
2. Nothing opens before 7am. Trust me, I tried. Noboby has the "sun's up, we're open" rule. And when I wanted to be first guy out, well, if you're a single wanting to get a quick morning round in, they won't let you.Most commonly, it's because you'll catch up to their mowers/morning maint. guys.
Don't get me wrong, there's golf to be played there, just be ready for a shift in golf culture when you go...and there's waaaay fewer walkers. Granted it's humid and hot. There also a bunch of non-golf cultural diifferences I encountered, let me know if you wan to hear them.
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I hate to bring this news to you, as you are looking forward to moving to Richmond, but if your handle suggests that you are currently in the Colorado Front range and moving to Richmond, I have to say...sorry.
I lived in Boulder/Denver for 12 years, and 2.5 years ago moved to Richmond to be closer to my in-laws, since we had a child. We lasted 1 year, 3 months, and I switched jobs twice in that time just to make sure it wasn't my job that I didn't take to. There's a lot of differences. Lets just start with the golf:
1. There is only 1 real "muni" - Belmont. Twenty-something bucks, owned by the city, close by. The good news it that is a Tillinghast course, it hosted a PGA tourney (in 1949). What we take for granted in Denver with City Park, Kennedy, Wellshire, Willis Case, Overland etc etc, there is ONE in Richmond. Everything else is either a private club or a $50 and up suburban course more than 30 mins away. There's not a real selection of $30-$40 courses like Coal Creek, Indian Peaks, Thorncreek, etc.
2. Nothing opens before 7am. Trust me, I tried. Noboby has the "sun's up, we're open" rule. And when I wanted to be first guy out, well, if you're a single wanting to get a quick morning round in, they won't let you.Most commonly, it's because you'll catch up to their mowers/morning maint. guys.
Don't get me wrong, there's golf to be played there, just be ready for a shift in golf culture when you go...and there's waaaay fewer walkers. Granted it's humid and hot. There also a bunch of non-golf cultural diifferences I encountered, let me know if you wan to hear them.
C, funny thing about your post. Everything you said is very accurate. I live about 2 hours north of Richmond and travel there fairly often. But when I was reading all your points, I'm like yeah, so what's new, yeah, that's the way it is, so what's new?
Then I realized from the perspective of someone coming to that area from out west, what a culture shock it would be in many ways. I could NEVER live in Richmond, probably for more of the off course reasons that you didn't mention but that are prevelant. While our golf in the Maryland/VA area has a lot more choices and variety than the Richmond area we pay for it. I consider anything on $60 a bargain and that is very very hard to find.
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Ideally I'd be looking for a nice, upper-middle income, suburban area with good schools for my five year-old daughter, decent restaurants & shopping and at least one Starbucks...
If you are looking for the shopping, Starbucks, Malls, then the west end near I295 and I64 is a good bet (Sycamore Creek and Hermitage Country Club are out this way, with Dominion and Hunting Hawk not too far), or I95 and Route 1 (Parham), (not too far from Belmont and the Crossings) in the north. There are similar areas on the southside, but I didn''t live there, so I'm not as conversant with them. (There is also a country club across the street from Belmont, called Lakeside, but its condition is usually iffy. The course has many blind shots, and four grind your gears opening holes. Belmont is really short by today's standards, but the fourth hole is a complete pain in the arse).
I295 and I64 has a large, two story, outdoor mall, with the associated supporting strip malls, and the north areas have large anchor malls (Target, Dick's, etc). No worries on the Starbucks, they are ever present.
For schools, you need to check where you are moving. Many new shcools have been built recently, but there is till some overlap with older, city, chools. Sadly, as in many metro areas, the city schools have hit some rough times. Richmond has tried to address the issues, but it is difficult to do. There still are some good city schools, however. Just pays to do the home work.
Another oddity is the almost complete lack of public swimming pools. You have to join an association. I will give kudos to Ukrops, a local grocery chain which is one of the better ones I've seen im my travels.
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I moved there from north Texas. My first year and a half I hated it. The scenery and lifestyle was so different than what I was used to. But once I quit trying to make it like the place I left, everthing changed. Now when I go back to where I was raised, I can't leave fast enough. For the person from Colorado, definitely a culture difference. Neither bad nor good, just different. People always talk about the differences between the North and South, but I think there is a bigger difference between the East and West. Once you cross the Mississippi, you are in a different world whichever way you are headed. Take steakhouses. Generally the best in the East will have clothing level requirements, fine furniture, some form of fireplace burning and details payed to the decor. Got to have the sizzle. In the West, most of the best steakhouses are in some type of old dusty saloon/barn type building with more community type seating, old tables and red/white plaid tablecloths. The inside decor has been the same for at least a decade and jeans are the preferred type clothing style. More about the steak. I don't really know about the East, but in the West , at least in Texas if you put a drop of steak sauce on your steak you have offended the cook.